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Which features do you use most and least on the CDJ-800?

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The CDJ-1000's MKII "go" for between £699 and £729.

 

They're a nice unit however for that kind of money there are other single CD-decks with more upto date features, for less money.

 

A huge benefit that some DJ's find, for beat mixing, is a platter which actually moves eg: motorised. Several CD-decks now offer this functionality, including the Technics SLDZ-1200, the Denon DN-S3000 and DN-S5000, and the new DN-S3500 which has a wide range of new features for only £629~£649.

 

 

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I swear by pioneers as i have always used them ,i work clubs and mix a lot. Gary persuaded me to try a denon (dont remember what) a while back and they were good too.

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The Denon 3500 can be switched to CUE the same way as the CDJ1000 so there is now no reason to buy CDJs any more...

 

Alpha track and hot disk on the S5000 will also put a smile on your face...

 

and not all clubs are using CDJ any more.. Head kandi require the clubs on there tour to have Denon and many clubs all over the UK are switching over or installing Denon from new now...

 

also all the denons cost less than a CDJ1000 http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/tongue.gif

 

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Dont like pioneers then Marky ! No reason to buy them ? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/fear.gif hed kandi now owned by mos you mean ? should be just computers on their tour then ! Just pulling your leg !

I love my pioneers and they havent let me down so far (wheres some wood ?) but as always its horses for courses .!

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Morning Steved,

 

You can compare the features of the cdj800 & 1000 on the pioneer website - hope this helps.

 

I use CDJ1000's and love them to bits, if you are near me, you are most welcome to get in touch and try for yourself. Personally, I have found the Technics CDs to be apalling in use - a real dissapointment considering how good the SL1200's were! The only viable alternative in this price/quality bracket is the Denon DN-S5000 and DN-S3500.

 

The DN-S5000 is excellent value and bursting with features, but the DN-S3500 is a great step forward in my opinion because it has a feature which allows you to change the cueing method to be the same as the Pioneer which is to me more intuitive than the (in my opinion) dammned awful Denon cueing method.

 

The thing to consider is how easy is the device to learn / use? The CDJ's are well laid out and dead easy to use. The Denons are dead easy to use, but you have to learn quite a bit more as there are plenty of multi function buttons with loads of nested functionality - possibly why the CDJs are standard equipment in the majority of serious clubs then!

 

The other considerable advantages of the CDJ1000 are the wave display and the removeable memory card which holds cue points, wave display info, loop points, etc...

 

Me? Well, I am hoping that the DN-S5000 will get an update (DN-S5500??) to include the non-denon cue, and at least a kind of wave display before I replace my CDJ1000's. Unless of course Pioneer improve the CDJ1000. Hmmmm......

 

Hope this helps, Brian

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QUOTE (brianmole @ Feb 10 2006, 12:54 PM)
Unless of course Pioneer improve the CDJ1000. Hmmmm......

Wouldnt bet on it...Pioneer are known to be far more interested in getting their next 24/7 non-stop Plasma screen TV factory up'n'running asap, at the expense of their DJ, In-car, and domestic consumer (hi-fi) portfolios.

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QUOTE (brianmole @ Feb 10 2006, 01:10 PM)
So is that why they're about to announce the new DJM-800 mixer then?

All the research & development on the DJM-800 (and the little DJM-400) is done and dusted, they've just got to move onto the relatively cheap task of making them. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif

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QUOTE (Gary @ Feb 10 2006, 03:10 PM)
QUOTE (brianmole @ Feb 10 2006, 01:10 PM)
So is that why they're about to announce the new DJM-800 mixer then?

All the research & development on the DJM-800 (and the little DJM-400) is done and dusted, they've just got to move onto the relatively cheap task of making them. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif

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How's the R&D on the DN-S5000 replacement going? I can't wait!!!

 

oops, you can't tell - good things come to those who wait eh? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/014.gif

 

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QUOTE (brianmole @ Feb 10 2006, 02:14 PM)

How's the R&D on the DN-S5000 replacement going?  I can't wait!!!

oops, you can't tell - good things come to those who wait eh? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/014.gif

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What replacement? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/whistling.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif

 

The DN-S5000 is sharing the top spotlight, alongside the new DN-S3500 as they both offer different features, making each one more suitable for different DJ's needing different features and wanting to perform in different ways.

 

Mind you...the DN-S3500 has a much snazzier paint-job.

 

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I really wouldnt bother to upgrade, you wont get a great deal more on the 1000's.

 

The Denon single players now perform as well as the Pioneers (the twin ones don't), the only advantage I can see for a professional DJ (as opposed to someone who wants something to play with) is the rotating platters which are only really of use if you want to scratch. I've used all of them and the first thing I do as a beatmixing guy is to switch off the platter/scratch function to make them work more like a normal CDJ.

 

I think the best advantage of platter-type players, whether rotating or not, is the speed at which you can use the platter to cue up and find a particular point by whizzing through those drawn-out intro's...its more accurate than holding your finger on a skip button because if you over-shoot you can just pull it back a bit like back-cueing a record.

 

But you know that already!!

 

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Dont like pioneers then Marky !

 

far from it I love the pioneers they just lack the extras that im now used too

 

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I did consider upgrading my Pios as well, I have the rather maturing CDJ500-2-LTD machines, I looked at the denon DNS singles, but what I can't get over is that when you cue up manually, and press 'cue' to memorize the cue point, there's a slight delay (while the cue light flashes) before you can hit 'play' or otherwise it starts a little delayed. The pioneer CDJ100/200/500/800/1000 do everything instantaneously. As a seasoned Pioneer and Denon user (pios at home and denons at residency) this delay is annoying though ultimately of little consequence.

 

The scratch function on the rotating Denons is superior to the Pioneers, it feels just like a 7in record (in fact it has a see-through platter above a felt slipmat) and they are a great deal of fun, and cheaper than the Pios.

 

Most disco-pub chains and bars still install Denon twin players, the larger clubs either have Denon Twin or Pioneer Twin or Pioneer Singles. I haven't yet seen any club with Denon DNS singles on permanent install but they are relatively new and it may change. And it may be a regional thing.

 

 

 

 

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CDJ800 are toys compared to the 1000's......

 

Denons are great decks, but the demo I went and saw, the guy took 5mins to get to features, etc.... tooo many buttons....

 

What ever way you jump, go for what you like, not what your mate said, cause the end of the day you have to understand it and mix on it.....

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QUOTE (DJ_Ajay @ Feb 14 2006, 10:56 PM)
Denons are great decks, but the demo I went and saw, the guy took 5mins to get to features, etc.... tooo many buttons....

The poor demo chap must have had the hangover from hell, or was bluffing his way through the demo then - http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif

 

All "Live" performance features are instantly accessible on the Denons, just a single button push away - indeed some features require less button pushes than other cd-decks to access functions - for example: To set a Hot Start/Hot Cue on a Denon deck, you simply push the hot start button itself and thats it set. Some other CD-decks require you to push a Rec(ord) button before pressing any Hot Start/Hot Cue button.

 

Other, less used (during a performance) features, such as changing the unit from Continuous play to Single play (eg: whether the unit helpfully stops at the end of each track, or not), or switching on Relay play (Where it starts playing the other disc, when the track on the first disc draws to an end), simply require a button to be held for 2 seconds.

 

Such dual-use buttons save space (and button-count) and are labelled so that the instant feature is labelled above the button, and the lesser used feature is labeled under the button. eg:

 

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Elapsed/Remain

/-----------\
[ BUTTON ]
\-----------/

Relay Play

 

Pressing it briefly lets you alternate between Elapsed track time display, or remaining track time display. Pressing it for 2 seconds, toggles the Relay play feature. All indicated on the decks display of course.

 

Showing people how to get the best use out of some features which aren't available elsewhere can take longer to explain and demonstrate fully, but using any particular feature is easy enough.

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I haven't yet seen any club with Denon DNS singles on permanent install but they are relatively new and it may change. And it may be a regional thing.

 

Loads of them round surrey and in london now use Denon S5000 and not CDJ1000..

 

a club near me called "Envy" is part of a chain own by First lesure I think and the entire chain will have Denon soon...

 

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Most clubs here stick to Pioneers, probably has to do with the dreadful service denon norway gave their customers a few years back.

I will try anything,once!

 

The Cornish will arise again !

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I use lots of different cd players in the few clubs i playing mainly pios 800s and 1000s, the 1000s are a lot nicer (not that many more features just feel more profesional but not sure id pay to upgrade if i already owned the 800s but my favs and the players i own are denon 5000s but am thinking of changing to the 3500s but need to give them a good test drive first and some advice from Gary aka Mr denon http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Dj_Kray @ Feb 15 2006, 02:19 PM)
my favs and the players i own are denon 5000s but am thinking of changing to the 3500s but need to give them a good test drive first and some advice from Gary aka Mr denon http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif

You'd definately like the DN-S3500's Kev, but I think that you might miss one or two features from your DN-S5000's. However, the DN-S3500's would be giving you some new features too though - such as instant, automatic recall of samples, via Memopoints, direct drive etc.

 

Here's one of the venues and installers who have already opted for the DN-S3500 as their primary CD-decks.

 

 

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OK, I can beat that!

 

Heres a DJ booth from a club you may have heard of:

 

http://www.allen-heath.com/AHImages/MoS.jpg

 

Ministry of sound. They used to have a Denon twin CD but now have these.

 

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And Space (Ibiza)

http://www.pioneer.de/images/de/ibiza_space.jpg

 

 

 

 

And Manumission (Ibiza)

http://www.pioneer.de/images/eur/visuals/dj-visual.jpg

 

 

ANd Pasha (poor pic)

http://www.tonynuccio.com/europe/photographs/spain/ibiza/ibiza056.jpg

 

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