Legal Or Not?

[deejaymitch 0]

I don't think anyone beleives that the likelihood of an accident has increased over the last 20 years, but the likelihood of someone trying to claim off you has increased significantly.

[UKHero 0]

I don't think anyone beleives that the likelihood of an accident has increased over the last 20 years, but the likelihood of someone trying to claim off you has increased significantly.

 

 

Has it though? How many on here have had a claim against them and was it upheld and did you need your PLI to cover it if you did need it, did they?

 

We are so hyped up in the world today. There is a difference between danger and percieved danger..

 

Pedofiles are no more prevelant than they were in the 1950's, there are no more child abduction today than there were in the 1950's (yes I know one is enough but I do refer you to the flying saucer comment above) and yet people will not let there children even play in the front garden. When I was a kid in the 1970's I used to go out on my bike all day traveling miles from home, with no problem.

 

So why the above story? well I think we percieve that there is more chance of a claim and more chance of being electricuted than we did 20 years ago... Im not saying PLI or PAT are a bad thing but I would aledge some businesses are getting rich from them....

 

Nik

 

Nik

[Dream Catchers 0]

If you are having your kit PATed by a competant person, they should be advising you to have it checked more regular than 12 months anyway.

12 months is fine and dandy for that office photocopier that was placed in the corner and wont even get unplugged until the next test, but that moving head that is pulled out of the box, put up on rigging, pulled down and chucked into the back of your van 2 or 3 times a week need much more regular inspection.

 

Jim

[Spear 0]

I believe that every six weeks is recommended for things like lights that aren't designed for a "rough" life.

[Reverandfunk 0]

be interested to know how a punter would come into contact with any of my electrical equipment, lighting especially.

 

I do agree with Nik, PLI is a must for my own piece of mind but PAT?

[davemoody 0]

Have to say that I stopped having my equipment PAT tested in 2005.

 

Never been asked to show proof in 20 years.

 

PLI is important but I believe common sense prevails as to good maintenance and visual checks. Also repairing something as soon as possible like dodgy loose leads or broken plugs.

[Dukesy 0]

PLI is important but I believe common sense prevails

PLI is voluntary for most businesses, but such policies could save you a lot of money in the long term.

Public Liability insurance covers you against any claims made against your business – for example if you were held legally liable for personal injury, or for damage done to property. The insurance will also cover you for any legal costs associated with defending claims against your business.

 

The venue I'm working asked for a copy of my PLI and PAT cert which is the third venue this year....and that probably totals around 5 or 6 times in around 10 years!

I've asked the venue for a copy of their current & valid safety certificate for electrical installation confirming to the new 17th edition electrical regulations (IEE Wiring Regulations BS 7671) which is a reasonable request...

[Swingcats 0]

I have booking forms, does anyone have a pro forma for a contract, so I can improove myself!

 

I don't mind paying for PLI as the one I have has cover for equipment being knicked form vechile and some accident cover as well, all in good cover.

Edited August 9, 2008 by Swingcats

[Lag1Rich 0]

I totally agree on PLI and PAT I have both myself, Still use CD's and will only use mylaptop for Karaoke!!

 

To overcome the problem of "Rouge DJ's" There should be a City & Guilds NVQ qualification brought out which DJ must pass before going public. To obtain the certificate after passing the NVQ course you should provide proof of PLA, PAT, Correct car/van insurance, and a valid Tax code!! (And digital DJ licence if using a laptop)

 

This will sort the Men from the Boys!!

Also would like to mention what some kids don’t get, It’s not good how good your disco gear is, it’s what the DJ plays to the audience!!

 

Thanks Richard!!

 

[Andy Westcott 0]

"Due diligence"

Prove it and you'll probably be OK, should the cack hit the rotating blades.

 

PLI is one good step in this direction.

[Dukesy 0]

To be fair, even builders with City and Guilds / NVQ paperwork still end up on consumer protection shows on BBC1! Having 'paperwork' does not always make a service.

[deejaymitch 0]

Perhaps if there was one governing body for all DJs, issuing just one essential license which covered all DJs playing all legally acquired music in any format they wish, which had to be shown at all venues before you could play there, which could be revoked if someone was exposed as a cowboy/girl, that might work. Hmmm, have I mentioned that before?

[Lag1Rich 0]

To be fair, even builders with City and Guilds / NVQ paperwork still end up on consumer protection shows on BBC1! Having 'paperwork' does not always make a service.

 

 

Thats why I mentiond the bit about dosent matter how good the stuff is its the music that comes out!! It should be regulated like Corgi does with gas!!

 

Thanks Rich

[vokf 0]

Thats why I mentiond the bit about dosent matter how good the stuff is its the music that comes out!! It should be regulated like Corgi does with gas!!

 

Thanks Rich

 

I'm in two minds over this. If there was an entry qualification required to legally perform as a paid DJ - how many DJ's would it put off?

 

What skills would be required to "pass"? Anything other than technical skill would be difficult to mark - for example, you couldn't pass/fail someone with "what song would you follow up 'Dancing queen' with?"

 

Anything music related will depend on what type of DJ is taking the test (Wedding DJ's need different skills to Club DJ's)

A Club DJ may not need to speak much/at all on the Mic, whereas a Wedding/Mobile DJ may need to be clearly understood when making announcements.

 

I guess there could be rules to ensure the DJ buiness is being professionally run - ie Earning declared, PAT, PLI, Pro-Dub, legal music.

However, this won't ensure the DJ is any good for a given party - just that they are a good administrator!

 

Its the creative side (personality, choice of music, rig layout etc) that can't easily be measured, other than with a list of satisfied clients.

 

Just my 2p's worth!

 

Jason

[Dukesy 0]

Thats why I mentiond the bit about dosent matter how good the stuff is its the music that comes out!! It should be regulated like Corgi does with gas!!

 

Thanks Rich

 

 

CORGI is the body charged by the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) to maintain a register of competent gas installers in Great Britain, Northern Ireland and the Isle of Man.

 

It is a legal requirement for any business carrying out gas related work to be registered with CORGI.

 

CORGI maintains an up-to-date register of competent and qualified gas installation businesses and ensures that these businesses and their gas operatives are aware of their requirement to register.

 

CORGI also raises the awareness of gas safety with consumers and encourages them to only employ registered gas installers.

 

 

 

Registration is a legal requirement for businesses and self-employed people working on gas fittings or appliances in the UK.

Around 50,000 gas installation businesses employing approximately 100,000 gas-fitting operatives are currently registered.

 

"CORGI registered members meet the required qualification and experience levels and have to work to strict safety standards. They must also update their skills and knowledge regularly and are subject to regular inspections by CORGI.

 

To check your installer is CORGI registered, just ask to see their CORGI ID card. If you can’t see the card, then show them the door!”

Although CORGI’s regular promotion reaches millions of consumers each year, people are still reluctant to ask to see a CORGI ID card before allowing work to be carried out.

 

GAS SAFETY WATCHDOG WARNS UP TO 1 IN 5 GAS FITTERS ARE COWBOYS

The National Watchdog for gas safety, CORGI's informed estimate is that there could be as many as 25,000 incompetent and illegal gas workers operating in the UK.

 

Note: people have died from work carried out by CORGI registered installers.

 

A CORGI registered installer that pleaded guilty to manslaughter after a gas fire he installed leaked carbon monoxide (CO) and killed a 14-year-old girl was sentenced to two years imprisonment on 6 October at Cardiff Crown Court.

 

Sourced

 

 

[Robster 0]

Its all about level playing fields

if the penalties for hiring any one as a DJ/KJ without PAT PLI and if they play off HD produb and CRB if they do kids partys was very harsh then i feel that the few dj/kj's left would be paid well (and rightly so) but many venues also would have no entertainment at all ...The vast majority of pub dj's would be out of business, the average landlord and customers dont give a stuff if your legal. i have NEVER been asked for my PLI or PAT certificates, they always pay me in cash and they never ask for an invoice EVER.

I do fight it out against competition that i know doesn't pay tax or have any PLI or PAT and i know they have all pirate tracks..landlords don't give a stuff IMHO but i know lots of landlords that if the rules were strict just wouldn't have anything on at all.

 

This site is dominated IMHO by function Dj's who can demand more money (and rightly so ) for a good service they provide , i am working my way up and am learning the hard and un profitable way , my thinking is if i can make rough pubs happy i can then handle awkward functions.

 

I have to believe that i am worth what i charge and i definitely know i earn what i am getting at the moment.To charge the extra for functions i have to believe i am offering value for money and now i am comfortable that i have gained enough skill to charge a reasonable rate.

 

in the pubs i work i have people selling dodgy everything and legalities etc go out the window it is easy to get sucked into this way of thinking and operating ..i want better for myself and it has been hard graft to get to this tipping point.

 

capital is a major obstacle for new starters and getting the funds to be legal can be difficult especially when you only do the odd gig.

Edited August 13, 2008 by enquirer

[UKHero 0]

GAS SAFETY WATCHDOG WARNS UP TO 1 IN 5 GAS FITTERS ARE COWBOYS

 

 

Sadly I think its the other way around in our industry 4 out of 5 are Cbs...

 

Just look at forum memberships or even assoc memberships it is the minority that treat discos as a legit form of income and the majority who see it as easy money and dont put in the time or the effort...

 

Nik

 

Its all about level playing fields

if the penalties for hiring any one as a DJ/KJ without PAT PLI and if they play off HD produb and CRB if they do kids partys was very harsh then i feel that the few dj/kj's left would be paid well (and rightly so) but many venues also would have no entertainment at all ...The vast majority of pub dj's would be out of business, the average landlord and customers dont give a stuff if your legal. i have NEVER been asked for my PLI or PAT certificates, they always pay me in cash and they never ask for an invoice EVER.

I do fight it out against competition that i know doesn't pay tax or have any PLI or PAT and i know they have all pirate tracks..landlords don't give a stuff IMHO but i know lots of landlords that if the rules were strict just wouldn't have anything on at all.

 

This site is dominated IMHO by function Dj's who can demand more money (and rightly so ) for a good service they provide , i am working my way up and am learning the hard and un profitable way , my thinking is if i can make rough pubs happy i can then handle awkward functions.

 

I have to believe that i am worth what i charge and i definitely know i earn what i am getting at the moment.To charge the extra for functions i have to believe i am offering value for money and now i am comfortable that i have gained enough skill to charge a reasonable rate.

 

in the pubs i work i have people selling dodgy everything and legalities etc go out the window it is easy to get sucked into this way of thinking and operating ..i want better for myself and it has been hard graft to get to this tipping point.

 

capital is a major obstacle for new starters and getting the funds to be legal can be difficult especially when you only do the odd gig.

 

Well said young man :Thumbup: Hence my original call for there to be a sliding scale on such things as pro dub and the like... Its OK Mcjockalot staying up till midnight to pay £400 for his produb, as he might earn £100,000 PA but DJ sometimes, cant afford that. As you say pubs cant afford to pay more and you have to learn your trade somewhere... Imagine the forory on here if a brand new guy says right spent 500 quid on some kit now how do I get some wedding gigs......

 

The sad thing is I think it will be a few pub DJs who might get done first for not having the PDL, and they are the ones who genuinly cant afford it....

 

Its ironic that brand new kit is now cheaper to buy than second hand kit and yet everything else to do with our industry has risen five fould in the last 10 years.

 

Nik

 

Nik

Edited August 13, 2008 by UKHero

[trebor171170 0]

nearly lost my New Years Eve gig due to the PAT has the venue is council run

no mention of PLI

Had gear tested so full on for NYE

[YourBigEvent 0]

All done, PAT every 6 mnths