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#1 SnakeyEyes

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 11:06 AM

Hi there, I am fresh and wet behind the ears in the mobile dj land (although I have done club and radio work in the past) and I am looking for people's help and oppinions on some of the kit I am looking at buying so I will know if I am spending my money wisely!

I intend to work in all areas of entertainment eg. weddings, birthdays, kids, club nights etc and, on a tight budget, I wonder if the following items are suitable for small/medium venues?

Sound:

Kam KXR1000 & Z1504 MK2 Amp & Speaker Package with stands for 375 This Package Here

Lighting:

I already have a rig, 2 laser systems, mirror ball, twister 4 and a wild blazer but looking at a prolight scimitar/leo 4 head package with cables and controller for 399 This lighting package here

Any help would be most appreciated thanks!!



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Posted 05 October 2006 - 12:49 PM

A purely personal viewpoint:

For 'medium' venues, I would try to find something a little more spread (soundwise). 1K power is enough, but I am not sure about the speakers. I have a ingrained dislike of elliptical speakers, especially at any power.

Try looking at Terralec, they have some very reasonable packages for the money that you are talking about.

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 01:00 PM

Re: The Above http://www.terralec.com/

DXP2 469.00
XXL-BX2 599.00
VIBE15600 598.00
XXL157 498.00


A few quid more, but I think you'll find a much more controllable sound output
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 01:49 PM

Welcome.gif to DJU. I've just had a look at the sound system link but couldn't find any spec although I suspect that at that price it isn't gonna be suitable for anything but the smallest parties and would have peizo horns (harsh top end).

The sound is the most important part of a disco rig so it's worth getting it right from the start or you'll soon be out shopping again.

Can't comment on the lighting as the page wouldn't display for me but you'd be better off IMO adding the lighting budget onto the sound budget and getting a better sound system.
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 01:59 PM

Depending where your based snake eyes,

I know someone who is selling a pair of 300 watt rms mcgregor speakers (blue carpetered version) & a 1000 watt warrior amp and all leads for 300.00 (saving you 75.00) - That person being me have been used to cover all the functions you have mentioned and if you have a look at my website you can see the speakers in question in action.

Only reason for selling is that I have upgraded to powered speakers, and I already have a pair of light plastic abs speakers for back up so they are just going to be gathering dust here.

Im based in Stockport so if any where close you are more than welcome to come and see them or can possible get them to you ??

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 02:06 PM

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so I will know if I am spending my money wisely!


Wise words! smile.gif

Seriously, if you are going about that philosophy, then my advice would be to save up a little bit more into the budget, and perhaps look at doubling what you have suggested.

I'm not renowned for my love of anything with the word KAM on it after some early bitter personal experiences, but any Amp & Speaker package which is priced at <400 isn't really going to be anything other than budget, both in design and output power.

Personally for Amplifiers I would recommend C-Mark (also known as T-AMP from Thomann) or Behringer.

For Speakers, you could consider the Ohm RW Series, Behringer Eurolive Range, or Class D. All of the above have been recommended at some stage on the forum.

If you are looking for a complete starter package then the following deals from Thomann look very competitively priced, and contain all of the items you need, and come with a 30 Day money back guarantee and a 3 year warranty.

Thomann Package 1

Thomann Package 2

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 03:36 PM

Welcome to DJU...

The speaker package linked in your post is more bedroom DJ than mobile DJ..

already you have good offers of kit more stuable for mobile use from DJs on this forum..

keep your eyes and ear open and soon you will be on the road with a bargin or two

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Posted 05 October 2006 - 10:21 PM

QUOTE (desperatedan @ Oct 5 2006, 01:59 PM)
Depending where your based snake eyes,

I know someone who is selling a pair of 300 watt rms mcgregor speakers (blue carpetered version) & a 1000 watt warrior amp and all leads for 300.00 (saving you 75.00) - That person being me have been used to cover all the functions you have mentioned and if you have a look at my website you can see the speakers in question in action.

Only reason for selling is that I have upgraded to powered speakers, and I already have a pair of light plastic abs speakers for back up so they are just going to be gathering dust here.

Im based in Stockport so if any where close you are more than welcome to come and see them or can possible get them to you ??

Pm if you want more details

Thanks desp but I am up at Alnwick (192 miles away) so it would cost me a fortune to get down there and back. Gonna have a look at a few of these models suggested here but I really cant afford to double the budget as I am on a tight budget I take it that omnitronics should be avoided like the plague???
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 10:35 PM

QUOTE (digitaldistortion @ Oct 5 2006, 01:00 PM)
Re: The Above http://www.terralec.com/

DXP2 469.00
XXL-BX2 599.00
VIBE15600 598.00
XXL157 498.00


A few quid more, but I think you'll find a much more controllable sound output
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ok, if I really stretch my budget and drop a set of pars I was planning to get then I can order the DXP2 at 469.00 Shown here at terrelec. Any oppinions on this?

I really dont want to back away from buying the prolights though so do you think they are the best choice for the price and my needs?

Oh and thanks for the warm welcome!!
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 11:13 PM

Trust us on this one - when you have a limited budget spend it on sound rather than light. You already have some lights, upgrade them once you start making some money. In the meantime put your lighting budget into your sound.

OK you have your ideas and your heart set on some new lights but all I ask is that you consider the points made.
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Posted 05 October 2006 - 11:28 PM

Also consider the following budget packages too.

Package 1

Package 2

The following articles should also hopefully help you when making a decision

Choosing Amplifiers and Loudspeakers

Choosing Disco Lighting Effects

Why Buy New - New, Ex-Demo and Graded Disco Equipment at below retail prices

 

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 06:22 AM

If you are going to spend over 460 for an amp and some speakers (and you will also need some form of flight case for the amp).

I would suggest you have a look at buying a pair of these and if you really want to kick ass then also add one or two of these. The pair of 15" full range speakers will cost you less than 400 delivered and the subbass speakers are an additional 180 each.

The full range speakers are bi-amped sound fantastic and come with a three year warranty. Delivery from Germany takes about 3-4 days in total.

This also gives you some backup, as if one amp or speaker goes down you still have the others.

If you buy the subbass as well, use the 120hz top cut button on the full range speakers to give a more balanced sound.

I have a pair of each of the above, giving me 700watt RMS side, and they sound great. Also if working at a smaller gig, just take the two full range speakers and turn off the 120hz cut button.

If size/weight is an issue then I would go for a pair of these at 260 a pair delivered and a pair of these at 330 a pair.

The above gives you a four speaker package (would look great stacked in pairs each side of your table) of 550watt RMS per side, costing less than 600 which includes 6 amplifiers matched to their speakers (giving you backup) with a 30 day money back guarantee and a full 3 year warranty in modern polycarbonate cases.

Although I do not have the PA202As as yet, I have talked the wife into buying me a pair for Xmas.

As you will find from other threads on the forums, you do not have to be concerned about dealing with Thomann, if only all companies were as efficient as them.

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#13 SnakeyEyes

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Posted 06 October 2006 - 08:07 AM

Ok, your convincing me. As a person who is a bit of an audiophile at home, I was concerened about buying cheap speakers that they may sound dull and really dissapoint my discerning ears.

I suppose if I turned up and put up a bad sounding system, I feel I would be letting my customers down. What was stopping me spending more was a concern that I didnt have enough variety in lighting to keep people's interest all night.

So, what I have decided to do is to just buy one barrel light (around 149) and buy some of these higher priced speakers you mention (THE BOX PA502 A) with the pair of subbies too as suggested by edbray. thanks.gif

I now feel it is important to have active boxes on reflection as I dont want to be carting multiple amps around and if one speaker fails, i aint going to look like an idiot as the dancefloor becomes bathed in silence while I fix up another amp lol fear.gif

I already have a behringer mixer and my sound sources are going to be my technics mk2 turntables for optional mixing with laptop based mp3 mixing for the pop stuff (twin laptops available as backup).

Does this sound a better proposition??

I am going to need some help later setting up all the settings on them as I havent really delt with cuttoffs before and also, I have looked on that website for poles edbray, but I am not sure if there are different fittings on different speakers (I am new arent i lol biggrin.gif , could you tell me which ones would be appropriate please? thanks.gif
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Posted 06 October 2006 - 09:09 AM

Also, another problem I have is that my laptop only has a headphone jack for sound out. Although this seems to work fine with my 200 watt sound speakers at home, running through my mixer, i am not sure that this is a good solution for higher power speakers and I am therefore looking for an external usb sound card, any recommendations?? (without paying hundreds lol)
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Posted 06 October 2006 - 09:15 AM

Hi, all the top hat fittings on the PA502As and SB115As have 35mm sockets, so any 35mm stand or pole will fit.

If you are going for the PA502As and the SB115As then I wouldn't use poles as the PA502As weigh 35kg each and they are the same physical size as the SB115As so once fitted on the poles they seem to make the system stack unsteady, and as the SB115As have points on the top of the for the PA502s to sit in I use them like this. They then stand about 5ft high in their pair.

If I was doing a gig where I was only taking the PA502s then I would use a pair of tripod stands like the ones 8 items down on this page.

Another option, slightly cheaper, lighter and more portable would be to go for a pair of the SB115s and a couple of PA302As which have the same power and bi-amping as the PA502s but in a smaller package (which will be no problem as the bass will be being supplied by the subs) and a couple of the poles 6 items down here, thus saving you about 60 overall and and 12kg per speaker but with the same output power. This is probably what I would buy now if I was starting from scratch (I had the PA502s prior to buying the Subs).

In fact, it is quite normal to have smaller tops/mids than your bass bins so would not look out of place. Of course you would still be able to use the PA302As on their own if you needed to as they also have the low cut switch (My reason for wanting the PA202As), but you would then still require the tripod type stands.

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