brianmole 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 A great bit of news on the way home from my gig on new years day methinks: BBC news item Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisPointon 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Given the number of U16's who already smoke is it really going to make much difference? Link to post Share on other sites
bluejools 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 and the 16 year olds who one day can smoke, and the next can't...... Link to post Share on other sites
brianmole 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Given the number of U16's who already smoke is it really going to make much difference? I think so, when I was that impressionable age, most of my friends started because they were able to get fags easily. Once youngsters 'mature' a little, they start to see the sheer stupidity of it rather than trying to be 'cool' and emulate their mates. I can't see anything wrong with making this more and more difficult. Link to post Share on other sites
UKHero 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I think so, when I was that impressionable age, most of my friends started because they were able to get fags easily. Once youngsters 'mature' a little, they start to see the sheer stupidity of it rather than trying to be 'cool' and emulate their mates. I can't see anything wrong with making this more and more difficult. I agree with you but the problem is its another Law for the police to enforce and they aint doing to good a job of enforcing the laws we already have so will it be worth it in the long run.... Nik Niks Roadshow Link to post Share on other sites
brianmole 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I agree with you but the problem is its another Law for the police to enforce and they aint doing to good a job of enforcing the laws we already have so will it be worth it in the long run.... Nik I didn't think it was another law, it's just an extension to an existing law. The retailers I guess will need to be more alert. I can't see the police having much to do with it. Link to post Share on other sites
Bolan-Boogie 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Think its great news personally. Roll on April 2nd (Its earlier in Wales than the rest of the U.K.) When the smoking in public places enforcement comes in ! Link to post Share on other sites
C.S 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 They did it here when the smoking ban came in , from 16 to 18 overnight. The retailers are responsible for enforcing it and id has to be shown before a purchase is allowed. Same with alcohol here ,beer and wine you have to be 18,spirits etc you have to be 20 and buyers are expected to show id without being asked until they are 23 years old. I will try anything,once! The Cornish will arise again ! Manager of the Andy Harris Fan Club. Keep pasties Cornish Link to post Share on other sites
BigBen 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 beer and wine you have to be 18,spirits etc you have to be 20 and buyers are expected to show id without being asked until they are 23 years old. Does it work well Chris? Would you endorse the Norwegian Governments' decision on these matters? I am beginning to loath this countrys drink culture and would welcome blanket bans on everything, smokes, booze and drugs until the age of 21. [insert quirky comment] Link to post Share on other sites
brianmole 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I am beginning to loath this countrys drink culture and would welcome blanket bans on everything, smokes, booze and drugs until the age of 21. Rich, drugs are already banned to all ages man! :joe: tongue out icon Link to post Share on other sites
C.S 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) I think it works well but not everyone agrees with that ! I work a bit for the government alcohol monopoly here and eventhough its restrictive the state owned shops have a selection that very few private owned off licences could ever get even close (shop i work in has over 1900 differnt wines !) Having said that norway does have a large percentage of alcoholics. I think the smoking age limit did work rather well suprisingly. Strangest thing really is that when it becomes law a lot of people abide by it. Edited January 2, 2007 by C.S I will try anything,once! The Cornish will arise again ! Manager of the Andy Harris Fan Club. Keep pasties Cornish Link to post Share on other sites
norty303 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Rich, drugs are already banned to all ages man! Doesn't stop thousands of people of all ages doing them though, does it. I'm not sure that prohibition with anythoing is the cure, especially not when you're sending a message of 'No, you can't do that now, but in 2 years you're fine, ok'. It will be perceived as rubbish by the teenagers and they will continue to smoke regardless. DIY plans and pro audio related technical discussions www.speakerplans.com/forum Link to post Share on other sites
McCardle 1 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 i am all for anything which cuts down the number of smokers and more so children who smoke but i still feel that this is a bit like trying to attack and kill lightning with a few pebbles. By bringing in new laws all it will do is to move the problem deeper underground and it wont cut the number of underage smokers it will just seem that way because they are not as obvious . By prohibiting something entirely does not work either they tried that in the us of a and it was called prohibition and all that did was to give more weight and funding to organised crime and boosted smuggling and illicit drinking dens twenty fold. The best way of controlling the problem is by how you bring up and educate your kids, shopkeepers should not be the only ones preventing kids from drinking or smoking, they should be the last line of defence, the parents should be the first line and the role models. This is just yet another prime example of how parents are let off the hook for the behaviour of their kids and the shopkeepers and publicans assume the burden. In relation to the point made about drinking I believe that in countries like France where older children routinely share a small glass of wine at every evening family meal that this encourages responsible drinking and that those kids are less likely to turn into secret binge drinkers and alcohol abuse in their teens. Why?, because it removes the dare factor and becomes part of a family social ritual from their formative years rather than something illegal, risky and cool to do behind their parents back with their m8s. But in this country how many families actually bother to even set a time to sit down and eat together and have their evening meal sat around the same table?. Maybe this is part of the entire anti-social culture which is becoming so obvious these days and a big part of the various other problems. "The voice of the devil is heard in our land" 'War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left, and you wont win this war.' Link to post Share on other sites
Dukesy 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Yep Link to post Share on other sites
UKHero 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Rich, drugs are already banned to all ages man! :joe: tongue out icon Alcohol and asprin are drugs.... Nik i am all for anything which cuts down the number of smokers and more so children who smoke but i still feel that this is a bit like trying to attack and kill lightning with a few pebbles. By bringing in new laws all it will do is to move the problem deeper underground and it wont cut the number of underage smokers it will just seem that way because they are not as obvious . By prohibiting something entirely does not work either they tried that in the us of a and it was called prohibition and all that did was to give more weight and funding to organised crime and boosted smuggling and illicit drinking dens twenty fold. The best way of controlling the problem is by how you bring up and educate your kids, shopkeepers should not be the only ones preventing kids from drinking or smoking, they should be the last line of defence, the parents should be the first line and the role models. This is just yet another prime example of how parents are let off the hook for the behaviour of their kids and the shopkeepers and publicans assume the burden. In relation to the point made about drinking I believe that in countries like France where older children routinely share a small glass of wine at every evening family meal that this encourages responsible drinking and that those kids are less likely to turn into secret binge drinkers and alcohol abuse in their teens. Why?, because it removes the dare factor and becomes part of a family social ritual from their formative years rather than something illegal, risky and cool to do behind their parents back with their m8s. But in this country how many families actually bother to even set a time to sit down and eat together and have their evening meal sat around the same table?. Maybe this is part of the entire anti-social culture which is becoming so obvious these days and a big part of the various other problems. I also agree... Nik Niks Roadshow Link to post Share on other sites
digitaldistortion 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 They did it here when the smoking ban came in , from 16 to 18 overnight. The retailers are responsible for enforcing it and id has to be shown before a purchase is allowed. Same with alcohol here ,beer and wine you have to be 18,spirits etc you have to be 20 and buyers are expected to show id without being asked until they are 23 years old. Yes...but as I am sure you are aware...this is the Uk....they regularly do undercover buying trips with kids for both booze and cigs.....doesn't matter whether its a chain or a corner shop.....you'll always find a seller....and we all know what good it will do to introduce ID cards here (or try to) (Personally I wouldn't mind...spent 15 years in Denmark altogether, and you quickly get used to having one) Cheers! Roy B. Digital Distortion Disco (D3 Entertainments) See you around! Link to post Share on other sites
C.S 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 (edited) Yes...but as I am sure you are aware...this is the Uk....they regularly do undercover buying trips with kids for both booze and cigs.....doesn't matter whether its a chain or a corner shop.....you'll always find a seller....and we all know what good it will do to introduce ID cards here (or try to) (Personally I wouldn't mind...spent 15 years in Denmark altogether, and you quickly get used to having one) Dont get what you mean by the first part of your sentence ? i was just offering up information from where i live , where they happen to practice something that is about to be practiced in the uk . We dont have special id cards in Norway and they didnt have them in Denmark when i lived there either but anyone who has a bank account has a bank card with a photo and a date of birth on it. If not a passport\driving licence is used. Incidently if you are stopped while driving your car without having your driving licence on you then its an instant fine and you cant drive on. Of course you will always find a seller but its more difficult ! Edited January 2, 2007 by C.S I will try anything,once! The Cornish will arise again ! Manager of the Andy Harris Fan Club. Keep pasties Cornish Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Cant they just raise the buying age to 99... Without Ciggies, a few more people might actually reach that age... Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Cant they just raise the buying age to 99... small problem with the TAX then... if they dont sell Fags then there wont be enough money to pay the Managers who waist all that money down at your local NHS hospital... Still dont know why the british govenment gave up growning shipping and selling poppy's, they had half the world chasing the dragon and finaced a large part of the British Empire with it... <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
UKHero 0 Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 small problem with the TAX then... if they dont sell Fags then there wont be enough money to pay the Managers who waist all that money down at your local NHS hospital... Still dont know why the british govenment gave up growning shipping and selling poppy's, they had half the world chasing the dragon and finaced a large part of the British Empire with it... Yes the slave trade was a good little earner too... Maybe something to do with morality.... Nik Niks Roadshow Link to post Share on other sites
BigBen 0 Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 Rich, drugs are already banned to all ages man! I thought drugs had different classifications and some were deemed acceptable..? Shows what I know about drugs then! [insert quirky comment] Link to post Share on other sites
DJ SPARKO 0 Posted January 3, 2007 Report Share Posted January 3, 2007 illegal drugs have classifications from A-C i think depending on what sort and associations with it such as crime i.e. to fund the addiction and habit, with cocaine being A and cannabis being C and prison sentance is also dependent on what sort for e.g dealing high quantities of coke will carry a higher sentance than dealing high quantities of cannabis. only know this as a friend is a solisiter. sorry off topic hey this year the ban comes in for pubs and clubs and public places if not already implemented? still learning, still experiencing, still dj,ing Link to post Share on other sites
norty303 0 Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 illegal drugs have classifications from A-C i think depending on what sort and associations with it such as crime i.e. to fund the addiction and habit, Yep, those 'E' heads that keep breaking into my house and hugging me all night are a proper pain in the neck.... Unfortunately this country falls foul of poor research and ill informed governmental officials (often driven by media hype) when classifications of certain (not all) substances were made and unfortunately steadfastly refuse to hold their hands up to the fact. DIY plans and pro audio related technical discussions www.speakerplans.com/forum Link to post Share on other sites
Danno13 0 Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Yep, those 'E' heads that keep breaking into my house and hugging me all night are a proper pain in the neck.... :bouncy: If cigarettes had been invented last week, they'd probably be Class A... i mean they're alot more addictive and cause a lot more problems than Coke, E's etc. Revolution Discos - Covering Midlands and the Cotswolds - 01386 898 113 - 07791 261 263 Link to post Share on other sites
brianmole 0 Posted January 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 I tried sniffing coke, but the bubbles got up my nose :shaun: Ok, got the coat, I'm leaving.... Link to post Share on other sites
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