paula 0 Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 QUOTE That was all but my weekend was good, no nasty people, an exceptionally nice buffet on Sat and lots of great music (sounds quite boring doesn't it). & what happened last weekend when we all reported back with our nigtmares....Mr Mo popped in to tell us hw good his was! wait for it we'll all be sobbing into out keyboards http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/014.gif QUOTE I have a bookfull and am ashamed Is that the book that the law keeps throwing at you? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/071.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Dukesy 0 Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 QUOTE (paula @ Oct 6 2003, 02:32 PM) This sounds like pub work is the bottom of the ladder, is that what your trying to say? I am not slating Pub entertainers off - but having started from the bottom myself - you can see different peoples perception and attitudes towards a Pub DJ, to a Club DJ or Professional DJ. When you work in an open, public venue, free entry, etc., etc., anyone or everyone enters and leaves. If the venue has security - then it's a bonus to the staff, the management or manager. But in generalised terms - typical 'drinking hole' pubs can't afford to meet the 'professional fees' a professional DJ or Entertainer would charge, or require. (PLI & PAT, overheads, etc) An incredible amount of DJ's start off 'live' either at friends or family parties, Clubs or Pubs. So in effect, its the first step on the ladder to hopefully many gigs. Same goes for Bands, vocalists, etc. And, to add further, although the clients one entertains in a pub are as varied as a typical private function, the 'off switch' to the 'bad language' box is normally left off - typically. Not all pubs are venues for family gatherings - unless it has a seperate hire function room. Then it's a different kettle. Pubs have a great atmosphere if you have the right pub - but can also be a potential timebomb. If it's going to 'kick off' - I would not like to be working in a pub again. I've seen too many friends and public bystanders over the years caught up in senseless arguments and scenes. Now add just one example stereotype the public perceive of young 'Pub DJ's' - cheap. After discussing this with fellow DJ's who are friends, given the choice of working in a Pub again to that of Private functions, they all said they would stay with the Private!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
paula 0 Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 QUOTE QUOTE (paula @ Oct 6 2003, 02:32 PM) This sounds like pub work is the bottom of the ladder, is that what your trying to say? QUOTE I am not slating Pub entertainers off - but having started from the bottom myself So I'll take that as a yes! QUOTE you can see different peoples perception and attitudes towards a Pub DJ, to a Club DJ or Professional DJ. Im seeing a different percetion now, Guys do you think that pub & club Dj's are not professional? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/533.gif I'd think if your good enough for club & pub work then thats saying alot about you, and those of you guys that have worked in pubs and clubs, dont you find you seem to get more booking for the local hallss etc? After all these people are seeing you live http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/smile.gif QUOTE pubs can't afford to meet the 'professional fees' a professional DJ or Entertainer would charge, Cor you've hit a nerve here Dan, What do you think I charge peanuts? Im telling you now if your putting me in the unprofessional levels as I was mainly pub work you are very very very mistaken! Link to post Share on other sites
Eskie 0 Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 QUOTE & what happened last weekend when we all reported back with our nigtmares....Mr Mo popped in to tell us hw good his was! wait for it we'll all be sobbing into out keyboards well get yer hankies out again, cos i had a fantastic weekend http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/smile.gif as a few of you know; i was at the Caister Soul Weekender with a few mates and we had a brilliant time. I'm suffering now though; my feet ache from dancing, my stomach aches from laughing, i've lost my voice from talking/singing, my livers in relapse from drinking, my eyes ain't too happy from sleeping an average of 3 hours per night, but the spirit is soaring from a blindin weekend. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Anthony Winyard Entertainment www.awe-dj.co.uk, Entertaining London & the South-East! Click here to LIKE The Funky Penguin on Facebook. www.facebook.com/awe.dj Link to post Share on other sites
paula 0 Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 QUOTE well get yer hankies out again, cos i had a fantastic weekend http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/sterb188.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/014.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/014.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/014.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/014.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/014.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/014.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Dukesy 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 (edited) QUOTE (paula @ Oct 6 2003, 11:34 PM) Cor you've hit a nerve here Dan Well, if I'd said "yes" straight away, I'm sure I would have felt my ears burn hotter and drop off sooner. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/014.gif But I remind that I used the following phrases on my soap box posts: I am not slating Pub entertainers off - but having started from the bottom myself - you can see different peoples perception and attitudes towards a Pub DJ, to a Club DJ or Professional DJ. I did not say Pub and Club Dj's were not professional. I actually started off in the Clubs and went Mobile. Come on! Do you seriously believe the general public has a clear-cut perception of who is or isn't full time or part time entertainers?! Even the most experienced or well established Jocks are given little or no respect as an individual. Everyone at one point or another gets a silly comment from a punter....yes? However, I make the point that it was from Private bookings from 'pub punters' who started me off up the 'ladder' to private hire - and, having club experience helped 'promote' these first steps. True. Pub regulars booked me and encouraged me to turn Full Time Professional DJ. Not all pubs are 'scummy' - some of my best friends are landlords and managers in the trade. Although I made a generalised soap box rant about punters, I also appreciate my beginnings. So I reflected my personal experience. I suppose what I'm saying is that now, if I want to be treated with disrespect - I'd jump of the ladder of progress and start at the bottom again You know, people can be very nasty as well as disrespectful. From personal experience, I had less abuse, if any, from my Club days to that of Pub Gigs. So, by 'returning' to my 'Spit & Sawdust Pub' entertainment, for me, would be a very, very very big step backwards from MY progress. Although I've given my point of view, I expect to receive comments and remarks unshared by fellow entertainers. That's fine!!!! Yep. Thought I would. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/071.gif Edited October 7, 2003 by discodirect Link to post Share on other sites
Dj_Kray 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 (edited) QUOTE (5star @ Oct 6 2003, 07:09 PM) The one point I would like to make is always look at the bigger picture and don't let one idiot put you off the night - there's another 100+ there for you to entertain. It is hard sometimes not to take comments personally but I now tend to take the view that it's him/her with the problem - not me. I just wish i could do this maybe it will come with time! Anyway tonight i was doing my 90s dance night when some idiot came up and said can you play some hiphop i said no im afaid not as its only 90s dance music in here. 5 mins later same bloke can you play some jurasic 5 (hip hop) i said no as it only 90s dance he called me a c@&t i said did you just call me a c%$t he said yes so i called over a bouncer and got him chucked out thats one of the best things about working in a club and that is you don't have to tolorate stuff like that in a club. Edited October 7, 2003 by Dj_Kray Link to post Share on other sites
paula 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 I think your point is extremly rude Dan, it just goes to show what you really think of your fellow entertainers status and feelings. Not a lot! Im sure we'll hear the bang when you take a fall off that soap box of yours! Link to post Share on other sites
Dukesy 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Paula, if you think or interpret my soap box comments as extremly rude to fellow entertainers, then I must say I am very, very stunned! Not everyone will share my point of view. I don't share everone else's but I respect their opinion. But to suggest I care nothing for the 'status' or 'feelings' of fellow entertainers is a little personal, Paula. So, If you have taken the comments very personally - then I can only apologise. xxx Link to post Share on other sites
Dukesy 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 QUOTE (Dj_Kray @ Oct 7 2003, 02:23 AM) one of the best things about working in a club and that is you don't have to tolorate stuff like that in a club. Fair comment! Link to post Share on other sites
C.S 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Dont agree,get more idiots in the clubs here than at mobile gigs,but thats Norway,Can in fact say that in the last 5 years Nobody has given me hassle at a mobile gig that i have done. Dont think its got much to do with if its a pub or club there are other factors that weigh in like what kind of area the place is in! But thats my 5p worth http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/tongue.gif I will try anything,once! The Cornish will arise again ! Manager of the Andy Harris Fan Club. Keep pasties Cornish Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisPointon 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Oh hell - I come onto the forum to find a riot.....Between MODERATORS??!!! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/scared.gif One thing that you can't deny is that Dan's comment sparked a bit of life into an otherwise stagnant forum. I also do pub work, and I didn't find his comments offensive (The fact that i'm going to stamp on his head the next time I meet him is immaterial!). Paula, you can't deny that somewhere down the line you have become http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/censored.gif off with the pub gigs just like the rest of us. Dan just has a more unique way of voicing the same feelings about them as you and I. You have got to admit that you encounter more hassle in the average pub than you would at a 40th Birthday for example. I must admit that I'm made to feel like the lowest of the low when I talking to landlords, there is no respect in this industry any more, and even less from the licensed trade. After all he's been good enough to apologise if you have taken it in the wrong context. Geez, we get 50,000 views a month, all of this massive technology and the internet is at your disposal and all you lot do with it is bicker. This is no longer a debate, it's a personal feud between two people so cut me a http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/censored.gif break eh? Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Spinko 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 To get this bak onto track and apologies for the late posting but I had a pretty ordinary gig at the weekend. A 6oth brithday with lots of young , under 5's riunning around the dance floor, finishing early and no matter what I tried, they would not dance, however at the end they came up and thanked me for a great evening. Sometimes people just want to sit down and talk with some music either in the background or for a particular aspect of their guests. With regards to 'difficult punters' perhaps we should have a new thread on this. Link to post Share on other sites
BigE 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Well i had a really enjoyable weekend. Friday night did a charity night for a little girl i know who is mentally handicapped, and raised a good bit of cash with raffle, auction and play your cards right. The night went brilliant and everyone was miffed when the music has to go off at 12. Saturday night was a 40th, this was one of those nights that made me realise why i started mobiling. This was also a night were reading the audience paid off. Had people dancing most of the night, then tried a few songs from the 80's which didn't go down great, so i put a few moden day ones and then back to the 60's & 70's which got them back on the dancefloor and they stayed there for the last hour and a half. Makes the night go quicker and i feel makes it feel more at ease which i think the audience notices. Well this saturday is my first wedding, so i won't be getting much sleep on friday night, and hoping all goes well so i can then feel more confident when my next one comes around. Link to post Share on other sites
Dukesy 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Good luck for you're first Wedding! Link to post Share on other sites
paula 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Hmm I noticed Dan's 2:02 post has been edited adding a more detailed post from the one I had previously seen! I think the topic maybe mis-read, Im not talking about the general public's behaviour thats just part of this job that you can deal with if you know how, but the fact that pub/club dj's are the bottom of the ladder, I really cannot see how anyone can define this jobs beginners levels or there professionalism, it doesnt seem to be the general publics views but those of other Dj's that determine others status. Maybe I have worked upside down to some of you but I took this as being as seen as most of mine were pub gigs that I was considered to be being at the bottom of the so called ladder, like my comment that seemed personal to Dan seemed Personal to me http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/sad.gif Link to post Share on other sites
BigE 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Thanks DD. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Link to post Share on other sites
kazzachi 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 There is no "top" or "bottom" end to DJ-ing..... I could tell you some serious names who are appearing at local pubs... especially the Littern Tree variety-- and they are earning far more than any of us would get! I have also seen some total trash at 5 star venues! WE LOVE KAREN, AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE HER BACK !!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Link to post Share on other sites
Dukesy 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 When we take the word 'Professional', for example, I think there is a varied interpretation. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/smile.gif Professional, to me, means that I live off the income that I make from my only full-time job - an entertainer. I carry out duties to be of a recognised or 'professional' standard or quality. Or interpret it like this, that a Professional can also mean that the 'skill', 'duty' or work carried out by the individual was of a professional standard. I would agree that I've also heard of and occasionally seen over the years, 'total trash' in respected hotels or function suites. I share Kazzachi's opinion on that. My status as an entertainer is judged by those who re-book, reccomend or privately hire my services. I do less hours and earn more than when I first started, so for me, I'm still hopefully climbing a personal but positive ladder of achievment! Link to post Share on other sites
paula 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 (edited) QUOTE Professional, to me, means that I live off the income that I make from my only full-time job - an entertainer. I carry out duties to be of a recognised or 'professional' standard or quality. Having a paticular profession as a permanent career. RIGHT! QUOTE Or interpret it like this, that a Professional can also mean that the 'skill', 'duty' or work carried out by the individual was of a professional standard. Right so the next time I need a decorator I'll call the professionals in....ie skilled people. I rest my case, Club dj's & Pub dj's are just as professional as the rest we all have a skill! QUOTE There is no "top" or "bottom" end to DJ-ing..... I could tell you some serious names who are appearing at local pubs... especially the Littern Tree variety-- and they are earning far more than any of us would get! I have also seen some total trash at 5 star venues Hmmm and who residency'd at a litten tree for 3 years http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/042.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/042.gif Edited October 7, 2003 by paula Link to post Share on other sites
YourBigEvent 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Friday evening at 6.15pm got a text saying that the DJ that was doing a gig for me was stuck in Birmingham, disco starting at 7.30pm 40 miles away and I have no kit in my van. Mobile phone hadcrashed so no telephone numbers either. Very quick drive home, loaded half of my kit, knew it was a small venue, and headed off to the wedding, luckily my gig that night didn't start until 10pm ish in a club so got the DJ stuck in Brum to get home and cover that one. Arrived at hotel and had excately 4' to set up everything in, speakers, lights and head unit. About 20 people there not interested at all, so a very long night with no food or drink. Saturday evening I had no power from the sockets on stage, a quick trip to the circuit board fixed that, and not a bad night. Sunday, hotel 30 miles away, 1am finish and need to be up at 6am for work. Arrived a was told the way in was down the steepest flight of steps ever, I disagreed and after moving ONE car was able to walk a little further but on the flat so trunk was wheeled in. Was asked if I could start early, as guests were arriving at 5.30pm (it was a Autumn ball) agreed to this if I was fed and watered, so set up and was talking to the organisor who remember the deal and true to her word pointed me in the direction of a Weatherspoons pub and a KFC but expected me to pay for it myself. Had to walk though the red light area to get to the KFC so decided to sit it out and wait until 10pm to start. Comedian started at 9.15 to do a 45 minute set, lasted about 10 minutes, no laughs and got jeered off stage early. so had to 'work' for 5 hours for nothing, she had given me 5 bookings for next year so prices WILL be increased to re-coup the time http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/tongue.gif Finished at 1am and arrived home earlier than expected at 3.30am, a couple of hours shuteye and back to work. In another thread somebody was asking 'Is it worth it', after last weekend I think not, still I have next week to look forward to now. .....but what do I know ? Your Big Event Office:01803 813540 Direct: 0797 0717 448 e.mail:info@yourbigevent.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
scotty 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Did a wedding on SAT the groom tried to pay me with a cheque, after explaining I only take cheques 10 days prior to an event so it can clear he went off and 'found' the cash. With regards to attitudes of punters etc I learnt quite a good lesson this weekend, I normally wear a pair of trousers and shirt but decided to put a suit on this weekend it not only made me feel more professional but the reaction from the punters was also different, normally I would expect a certain amount of 'put something good on' or 'have you got anything newer ?' dunno if its just me but but I felt that the suit was making people respect me more, a bit like a uniform. I'd be interested to hear what you guys wear ? and as an experiment the people who get hassled by punters if they wore a suit one week instead of just trousers/jeans and shirt to see if you get more respect or a different reaction. Scotty KING OF DISCOS We're what parties were invented for ! MySpace 'If anyone here hasnt enjoyed themselves this evening would you kindly raise your arm........, and slap yourself around the chops' Link to post Share on other sites
kazzachi 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 I dont think what you wear has any effect on the punters attitude - Obviously most of us dress to blend in with the crowd... Dont think many DJs these days turn up to a "casual" function wearing a penguin suit! Most functions I do, I tend to wear smart but casual clothes - not jeans - just a nice top and black trousers. Kids parties, I do have a uniform which I will wear whether I am doing the Hurlingham Club in Fulham or a local village hall - it is practical for the job in hand. If what you wear did have any affect on the punters then I would be at a loss to explain how I once went from a kids party (in sweaty uniform) straight to a 5 star up-market party having forgotten my change of clothes.... I just made a joke of the fact in order to explain myself and the gig was absolutely brilliant... gots tons of work of the back of it too. In the past I have been working in the same venue as other DJs where punters have drifted from one room to another and have actually come up to me to ask "who is the pratt in the whislte next door".! Blend in with the crowd - if you are professional in your job I doubt anybody would be able to tell the next day what you was wearing - but would be able to tell if you had played a blinding set of music or not! WE LOVE KAREN, AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE HER BACK !!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Link to post Share on other sites
paula 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Did I tell you all about the bird I see dressed up in a penguine suit like a Geezeer, silly bird looked damn right ridiculos! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Most people dont give it a second thought afterall there not really noticing you once your behind your gear and its all dark! But It is nice to see that a dj who comes dressed smartly for weddings and big dinner dance thingys etc, I think thats the most appropiate time to consider your dress code. But the DJ dress code world has most certainly changed over the years what happened to all them sexy young casual dj's that I used to see http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/014.gif bring em bak! Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisPointon 0 Posted October 7, 2003 Report Share Posted October 7, 2003 Maybe you just got lucky and had a gig where the punters were not troublemakers!. It does happen sometimes. I don't think that a uniform would make much difference, unless it was a police uniform http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/smile.gif Try it again and see if it does have the same effect at more than 1 gig then maybe the results would be a little more informative Link to post Share on other sites
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