Djing Seems Better Since 1 July

[exbutlinred82 0]

As DJ's we need to be carefull here of what we are saying. This is a dig at anyone,but I do think some members are stepping over the line here on encouraging people or supporting people to break the law. I can't see that this is in the spirit of the forum at all.

 

People who are not members have access to this site, and I think we have a professional duty of here to keep some opinions under wraps. I fully accept any law of the UK, whether I agree with it or not.

 

 

Personally I think thats a bit harsh Norfolk.

 

I thort the only thing Steve is guilty of is lively debate.

 

The ban is screwing most of us after all.

[Corabar Steve 0]

Is this a case of anti trying to shut up pro without an arguement to back it up Norfolk? (see the small print in my sig)

 

Andy, noboby forced non smokers to go to or work in a smokey environment, the choice was always there. Smokers have no such choice anymore.

Edited July 31, 2007 by Corabar Steve

[NiM 0]

That was my argument elsewhere steve and I got shot down in flames.

 

I can see the positive reasons for the ban and woo, yeah good.. But I don't like the fact the choice has been taken away from the public/businesses. Surely there must have been a way of giving an incentive for providing a non-smoking pub/bars/clubs/whatever (ie lower tax or whatever) and then punishing (for want of a better word) the pubs/bars/clubs/whatever for being a smoking pub? Slightly fairer..

 

i just love the fact that alot of landlords have invested a fair chunk into turning an area outside into a smoking area, putting up some kind of shelter and heaters and what not but the insides are generally the same.. My local even has the smoking bar staff (schmoking!) come out and take our orders and money, go inside, pour the drinks up and then bring them out to us.. But only for smokers ;)

 

And why do the non-smokers complain if they are sitting in the "smoking shelter" and we light up?

 

I will enjoy the warm inside this winter lol....

 

I will enjoy the warm outside, standing next to a toasty heater whilst getting the barmaid coming out and taking orders and then delivering drinks.. You poor non-smokers have to get your own..

Edited July 31, 2007 by NiM

[Paul Smith 0]

Andy, noboby forced non smokers to go to or work in a smokey environment, the choice was always there. Smokers have no such choice anymore.

 

The fact is that now the smoking ban is here it's not going to be repealed no matter how many people complain. One of the main concerns was that, for some people (inc DJs), this was their working environment and owners/managers didn't want to risk their workers health (& be sued).

 

About 25 years ago my step father (John King) worked in a factory (it was to do with metal not food) where smoking was banned. He challenged the decision on the grounds that management would still smoke in their offices and on the shop floor during their visits. He won & earned the nickname NOSMO (clue above :joe: )but I can't see that happening in todays climate.

 

[Norfolk DJ 0]

Is this a case of anti trying to shut up pro without an arguement to back it up Norfolk? (see the small print in my sig)

 

I thought the arguments were clear. The law is in place, I don't accept that it is professional to encourage people breaking it on a forum which is a professional one, to which non-members can read these threads. Fair enough though personally disagreeing with a point, because that is a personal view.

 

In my view agreeing or supporting people to break the law is not what this forum is about. There are alot of things I don't agree with. In fact too many to name, but I accept the positon because that is the law. There will always be some individuals who will try and make a point by breaking the law, but they never get anywhere.

Edited August 1, 2007 by Norfolk DJ

[Mattaious 0]

As DJ's we need to be carefull here of what we are saying. This is a dig at anyone,but I do think some members are stepping over the line here on encouraging people or supporting people to break the law. I can't see that this is in the spirit of the forum at all.

 

People who are not members have access to this site, and I think we have a professional duty of here to keep some opinions under wraps. I fully accept any law of the UK, whether I agree with it or not.

 

Bit harsh really,

 

Its called airing your views or opinions!

 

Again i think that when a law comes in that will effect us all including you then the table will turn and im sure your views will be aired at that time.

 

I agree with other members here that pubs/clubs and alike should of had the choice!

What SOME people cant see is that there will be a heavy decline in pub work for us all,

Agian to repost - How can a lanlord/manager afford to pay a dj if no one comes in

JUSTIFY THAT!

 

 

Edited August 1, 2007 by mattaious

[Corabar Steve 0]

Smokers are in the minority of the population right?

 

Smokers are therefore a minority.

 

In this country it is illegal to discriminate against minorities (regardless of what that minority is)

 

Therefore the smoking ban is illegal & should be ignored.

 

I rest my case M'Lord & hand over to the defence

Edited August 1, 2007 by Corabar Steve

[Dream Catchers 0]

Smokers are in the minority of the population right?

 

Smokers are therefore a minority.

 

In this country it is illegal to discriminate against minorities (regardless of what that minority is)

 

Therefore the smoking ban is illegal & should be ignored.

 

I rest my case M'Lord & hand over to the defence

People who take drugs, rob old ladies and rape people are also a minority.

Maybe Harold Shipman should have tried that excuse.

 

Jim

[High Fidelity 0]

People who take drugs, rob old ladies and rape people are also a minority.

Maybe Harold Shipman should have tried that excuse.

 

Jim

 

Ah!, but they are in the minority because they are doing something illegal.

 

If the government brought in this ban because they care about the nations health, then they should have gone the whole hog and banned tobacco, then the smokers would be in the minority because they are doing something illegal.

 

With regard to the landlord breaking the law by allowing punters to smoke in his pub. Didn't Emily Panchurst break the law to get women the vote. Didn't Nelson Mandella break the law in his country in his fight. I'm sure there are lots more, but I can't think of any while I'm at work.

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Have to say, if I was rich enough, I would buy a property, turn it into a pub/club, call it "The Smoker", plaster the outside with signs saying "This is a smoking venue - DO NOT ENTER if you object to tobacco smoke", only employ people to work in the venue that either smoke, or are happy to sign an agreement warning them about the dangers of working in a smoking environment.

 

Now how could a non smoker object this on the grounds that it is affecting their health.

 

And, I would do the above, even if I had managed to pack in smoking. It is about freedom of choice. Venues should have been given the choice of being either smoke free or not.

Edited August 1, 2007 by High Fidelity

[Dream Catchers 0]

Just on BBC NW News,

 

80% of publicans say the Smoking Ban has NOT effected their bussiness.

 

Jim

[NiM 0]

Hmm, so they've asked every publican in Britain?

 

No..

 

They will have asked a small group as a representative of the population, but making sure that the small group will fit exactly what they are trying to achieve with the story first..

[Mattaious 0]

Just on BBC NW News,

 

80% of publicans say the Smoking Ban has NOT effected their bussiness.

 

Jim

 

mmmmm

According to this Click Me that isnt exactly right,

 

 

Have to say, if I was rich enough, I would buy a property, turn it into a pub/club, call it "The Smoker", plaster the outside with signs saying "This is a smoking venue - DO NOT ENTER if you object to tobacco smoke", only employ people to work in the venue that either smoke, or are happy to sign an agreement warning them about the dangers of working in a smoking environment.

Shall we all chip in a few quid and buy this place!

 

 

 

 

[Dream Catchers 0]

Check the details here.

Obviously it is only a selection of the publicans but the info all of us base our views on is also only a selection too.

 

Jim

 

Also dont forget that there are many pubs/clubs that would shut down anyway, dont just asume that because they have closed since the 1st July that the reason was todo with the ban.

I would think that any pub or club that has closed since the ban (only 4 weeks on) would have closed because of other financial reasons.

Edited August 1, 2007 by JimBoylan

[C.S 0]

By law the barmaid will not be coming out or to any smoking rooms to serve anyone as its illegal to send staff to a place where they can be affected by passive smoking .

[Danno13 0]

And, I would do the above, even if I had managed to pack in smoking. It is about freedom of choice. Venues should have been given the choice of being either smoke free or not.

 

I'm sure this has already been said before.. but still smokers don't seem to get it.

 

As a non smoker, before 1st July, where was my choice about being able enjoy myself in a bar or club without the possible ill health effects of passive smoking??

 

Simple.. i didn't have one. Not many bar or club owners would choose to be smoke free, because it would be a bad business decision and could possibly send smoking customers to other bars and clubs that do allow smokers.

 

So i simply had to put up with it. Ok, i could choose to not go out.. but what fun is that? And why the hell should I have to make that choice simply because I don't want to breath in other people's poisons?

 

But now its the other way round, suddenly its breach of civil liberties.. moan, moan.. etc. etc.

Edited August 1, 2007 by Danno13

[Corabar Steve 0]

There were plenty of N/S venues in London before the ban. The choice was ther if you knew where to look.

[Dream Catchers 0]

There were plenty of N/S venues in London before the ban. The choice was ther if you knew where to look.

 

There are loads now :bouncy:

 

Jim

[Corabar Steve 0]

& one where you can

[UKHero 0]

What? For standing up for what he believes in? Good on him, shame there aren't more like him.

 

What like bombers and terrorists standing up for what they belive in. Nelson Mandela was a freedom fighter once. And yes this is relevant to your quote.

 

I guess from your stance your a smoker and its obvious from mine im not. I have done quite a few gigs now since the ban and its the best thing this government has done. I now work in a smoke free stink free place.

 

Smokers are a minority and as such should take the back seat on this. We non smokers put up with smoke filled pubs for too long. I gave up a residency a few years back through to the smoke I used to do friday and sunday there from Monday to wednesday I had a smokers cough just cleared up in time to be back there the following friday. So I was willing to loose a substantial amount of money for my health.

 

Kill yourself by all means but dont take the non smokers with you...

 

Nik

[Corabar Steve 0]

What like bombers and terrorists standing up for what they belive in. Nelson Mandela was a freedom fighter once. And yes this is relevant to your quote.

Now you're just being ridiculous

 

I guess from your stance your a smoker and its obvious from mine im not.

For around 6 months of the year, I find it very easy to go for long periods without smoking, but I do enjoy a cigarette. I happily abstain for months on end, but it's nice to have a beer & a smoke.

I have done quite a few gigs now since the ban and its the best thing this government has done. I now work in a smoke free stink free place.

So as long as you're happy, to hell with all the DJs & people in the licensed trade who will lose out at the end of all this.

Edited August 1, 2007 by Corabar Steve

[UKHero 0]

Now you're just being ridiculous

 

For around 6 months of the year, I find it very easy to go for long periods without smoking, but I do enjoy a cigarette. I happily abstain for months on end, but it's nice to have a beer & a smoke.

 

So as long as you're happy, to hell with all the DJs & people in the licensed trade who will lose out at the end of all this.

 

I guess we can go back and forth using quotes from each other so all i can say is you have your thoughts and I have mine and never the twain shall meet...

 

Nik

 

[Norfolk DJ 0]

 

So as long as you're happy, to hell with all the DJs & people in the licensed trade who will lose out at the end of all this.

 

What utter nonsense. UK Hero is quite correct in his observations. The view is on here on the whole that few enjoyed smokey atmospheres, going home stinking of smoke, having coughing problems, fag ash dropped over your kit by others. if that means that say some pubs close and lives are saved and the nations health improves, then I really fail to see any sensible argument here apart from some people who are unhappy about it. If the ban saved just 1 life then that is worthwhile. The smokers on here fail to admit any health benefits themselves. If just might be that the ban saves your life.

[Corabar Steve 0]

So it's I'm all right Jack all round then.

 

There are DJs that aren't as fortunate as us that don't get weddings & birthdays every Fri, Sat, Sun. These are the poor sods that will lose out. I can see our Friday residency (that we share between us stopping if business doesn't pick up soon, it's been less than half full (even countng the evil sick twisted smokers outside) since the ban, compared to being absolutely rammed before)

 

We all die sooner or later & yes I know you'd sooner die later (so would I) but to survive while we are alive, a fact of life is we need money. Less bookings for these people means less money, possibly even to the point of giving up DJing or closing their pub or bar because they can't afford to.

 

I agree it's too soon to say any of the pubs that have closed since the ban has been in place have been caused by it, this would be nonsense. However it is a fact that bars & pubs in New York, Ireland & Scotland HAVE closed as a direct result of losing custom because of their respective bans. How many DJs have lost their residencies as a consequence????

[TonyB 0]

I agree that there shouldn't of been a blanket ban. Smokers have had there right to freely smoke taken away. It would of been a much better idea for the government to give incentive for pubs to go smoke free and then everyone would have had the choice. The Wetherspoons pub where I live went smoke free last January and is doing very well serving cheap beer. With a non smoking pub in town, the non smokers had the choice but now the smokers have no choice.

 

Anything thats enjoyable in life is slowly being eroded by the government. Next thing to hit next year is the 90db noise limit at a function.

[Norfolk DJ 0]

So it's I'm all right Jack all round then.

 

There are DJs that aren't as fortunate as us that don't get weddings & birthdays every Fri, Sat, Sun. These are the poor sods that will lose out. I can see our Friday residency (that we share between us stopping if business doesn't pick up soon, it's been less than half full (even countng the evil sick twisted smokers outside) since the ban, compared to being absolutely rammed before)

 

We all die sooner or later & yes I know you'd sooner die later (so would I) but to survive while we are alive, a fact of life is we need money. Less bookings for these people means less money, possibly even to the point of giving up DJing or closing their pub or bar because they can't afford to.

 

I agree it's too soon to say any of the pubs that have closed since the ban has been in place have been caused by it, this would be nonsense. However it is a fact that bars & pubs in New York, Ireland & Scotland HAVE closed as a direct result of losing custom because of their respective bans. How many DJs have lost their residencies as a consequence????

 

I no longer do pubs, but I suspect that a different type of person will appear. Only time will tell. Early signs in some parts are positive. Function wise, like others have said, i have noticed no difference. I agree that some 'smokers pubs' will suffer, but that is how it is now.