Djing Seems Better Since 1 July

[NiM 0]

(for some reason my quotes broke, hence the backwards way of doing it - damn forum)

 

 

 

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Heroin, Crack Cocain, Chrystal Meth, Methamphetamine....theirs 4....Need I continue?

 

How do they directly harm people that don't take the drug

 

 

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The only reason that statistcaly it kills less people than cigarettes is because the above are illegal and cigarettes are legal, and they are legal because they are nowhere near as harmfull as the above drugs.

 

But ask yourself why it's legal, do you think that if Ciggies were suddenly discovered today they would be allowed to be sold? I don't think so personally..

 

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And a drug which causes far more problems than any of the above....

Alcohol.........But funnily enough thats still legal.

 

Not actually true, alcohol doesn't directly harm people around you.. The actions of someone drinking may harm them, but not alcohol itself..

 

According to ONS in 2005:

 

Deaths directly linked to Alcohol 6,627

Deaths directly linked to Tobacco 86,500

 

This was taken from information on the death certificate

 

 

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And you didnt answer my question about what money is pumped back into the NHS.....

 

I did, I told you to look at the ASH website, the figures match alot closer to information that is actually available in my day to day job..

 

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How can an anti-smoking organisation be unbiased in their figuires....they are an Anti-smoking organisation?

 

Easy, they don't need to lie - the argument is on their side..

 

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What action am I taking.....well Im ignoring the ban wherever I think I can get away with it for a start.

 

Thats not actually action though is it? That's just being stubborn..

 

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And I just read this on the FOREST website....10,000 people surveyed before the ban came into force....

 

Can you tell me how evenly spread the mix of people was (from all over the country) - the background of the people (ie ethnic, class, employment status, age etc)

 

 

Because you know, 100% of the people:cense: I spoke to today were for the smoking ban..

 

:cense: 2 smokers in my local pub

 

Incidently, the last point in your forest stats quote I mentioned earlier, but you failed to comment on that..

Edited August 8, 2007 by NiM

[Danno13 0]

OK.. i didn't read all of this, but this is typical of alot of research and writings on the topic..

 

http://www.druglibrary.org/special/goode/bpr10.htm

 

In contrast, focusing narrowly on direct, chronic medical effects, heroin and the narcotics do not cause the medical pathologies that alcohol and tobacco cigarettes do. (Incredibly, overdosing aside, narcotics cause no life-threatening medical pathologies of any kind.) It would be difficult for any drug to match alcohol's ravaging impact on the liver or tobacco's carcinogenic impact on the lungs.

 

Yes.. it does include alcohol too.. but i'm pretty sure that alcohol isn't as addictive as cigarettes.. not sure about the medical grounds for this, but you don't see many people drinking 20 pints a day just to keep themselves calm.

Edited August 8, 2007 by Danno13

[NRG Roadshow 0]

You must have missed the word recreational in my post...

 

There are countless numbers of illnesses caused by smoking, and they don't just affect the people who smoke.

 

The same isn't true for recreational drugs.. don't just beleive me, do some research instead of just posting your opinions.

 

So your so called recreational drugs dont affect other people right......

 

They dont affect the families of the people that take them?

They dont affect the people who have crimes commited against them so the junkies can feed their habbit?

 

Dont even try and make out that smoking tobaco is anywhere even close to being as bad as ilegal drug use or that ilegal drug use dont cause as many problems.

 

I cant even be bothered to discuss this any longer.....

[NiM 0]

We weren't talking about the criminal side, it was a discussion about the health implications.. And apart from anxiety or depression how does it effect the health of other people?

 

Hell, kids steal to get money for ciggies..

Edited August 8, 2007 by NiM

[Danno13 0]

They dont affect the families of the people that take them?

They dont affect the people who have crimes commited against them so the junkies can feed their habbit?

 

By their very definition ( http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=...eational%20drug ) they aren't addictive.. so.. no, they shouldn't cause the problems you describe, except perhaps for a very small minority of people, who would then have even more problems with cigarettes since they're more addictive!!!

Edited August 8, 2007 by Danno13

[NRG Roadshow 0]

The research was carried out by Populus by way of a random telephone poll of 10,000 adults aged 18+ and living in Great Britain, between 20th April and 2nd May, 2004.

 

The Survey

 

Yea it may be from 2004.....but I cant see it would have changed that much in just a few years.

 

Anyway....Im fed up of arguing about it now....I couldnt actually care less what other people think of the smoking ban in this forum, its completely irelevant.

 

Why should I feel like a second class citizen because I smoke.....get over it and stop whining....I smoke, I will allways smoke, and I dont give a toss if it kills me or anyone else.

 

[Danno13 0]

We're whining??

Edited August 8, 2007 by Danno13

[NiM 0]

Look at the cities that were used for that poll. Then look more into that city, like it's unemployment, social economic groups etc etc.. Pretty unrandom poll actually.

 

As for the you don't care if your smoking harms anyone else? What about your kids?

 

 

[NRG Roadshow 0]

Thats why I dont smoke in the house now......

 

Anyway, discussion over now.

I will never agree with you.

And you will never agree with me.

 

Im not wasting the energy discussing it now.

[NiM 0]

So you do care really?

[UKHero 0]

Tell me any recreational drug thats more addictive than cigarettes? Tell me one that has been proven to cause more health problems?

 

Err.. and lets not forget that there is absolutley no benefit whatsoever to smoking cigarettes.. the same cannot be said for other things...

 

By the way.. I don't think drugs should be legalised or anything daft like that.. i just think its double standards that tobacco remains legal.

It might seem like I'm changing camps here but I am not... But I would say alcohol is... The thing with smoking is it affects others Alchol does not.... Unless you want to add in to the equasion of drunken brawls etc...

 

Maybe they should have not banned smoking from pubs but alcohol lol

 

Nik

 

 

Heroin, Crack Cocain, Chrystal Meth, Methamphetamine....theirs 4....Need I continue?

The only reason that statistcaly it kills less people than cigarettes is because the above are illegal and cigarettes are legal, and they are legal because they are nowhere near as harmfull as the above drugs.

 

And a drug which causes far more problems than any of the above....

 

Alcohol.........But funnily enough thats still legal.

 

The big problem with the drugs you mention is generally not the drug but what it is cut with to make more money for the Dealers..

 

Nik

 

 

 

 

What action am I taking.....well Im ignoring the ban wherever I think I can get away with it for a start.

 

 

And this makes you a conciderate smoker????

 

Nik

 

 

The research was carried out by Populus by way of a random telephone poll of 10,000 adults aged 18+ and living in Great Britain, between 20th April and 2nd May, 2004.

 

The Survey

 

Yea it may be from 2004.....but I cant see it would have changed that much in just a few years.

 

Anyway....Im fed up of arguing about it now....I couldnt actually care less what other people think of the smoking ban in this forum, its completely irelevant.

 

Why should I feel like a second class citizen because I smoke.....get over it and stop whining....I smoke, I will allways smoke, and I dont give a toss if it kills me or anyone else.

 

 

Just wonder how old you are as I would like to meet you when your around 60 and see how you feel then mind you my uncle died at 49 which if your young may seem quite a way off... He smoked all is life, well untill it was to late then he stopped he died 3 weeks after being diagnosed with turminal lung cancer...

 

"I smoke, I will allways smoke, and I dont give a toss if it kills me or anyone else".

 

So your admitting to not be bothered if you kill other people on an open forum not very clever to do that IMHO.... then in a later thread you dont smoke in the house because of your kids, but you would not care if it killed me or my kid, charming..

 

Sorry if you think im whinging mate but it might just be that we care....

 

Nik

Edited August 8, 2007 by UKHero

[C.S 0]

sorry but i just dont seem to be able to.......... :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz:

[NRG Roadshow 0]

o that IMHO.... then in a later thread you dont smoke in the house because of your kids, but you would not care if it killed me or my kid, charming..

 

No thats not what I said at all.....

What I meant was is everyone should have the right to smoke in a pub, and if you dont want to breath in the smoke you have the choice of not going to the pub....Thats how its allways been, and thats how it should have stayed....I dont and never would have smoked in somebodys hours that didnt smoke and turned round and said "tough, I am gonna smoke in your house, as its my right".

I do believe that you should be allowed to smoke in a pub.....

Thats me being considerate......

 

 

 

Smoking does not allways KILL you......its only sometimes does....Im willing to take the chance.

Many people smoke from young and live to be well into their 80's......how does that work if smoking is so bad for you.....

 

I belive in Karma.....in other words, if its your destiny to die at 35......45.......55.....whatever......then that is exactly when you will die.....

You cant change it and its just the way it is....

So if I stopped smoking now.....and its my destiny to die at 55.....and the smoking dont do it, then I will probbs get hit by a bus or somthing.....

I really aint bothered.....when its my time to go its my time to go, and thats all their is too it.

 

ANYWAY.....I said I wasnt gonna discuss this any further and I have ended up being sucked in AGAIN!!!

 

[Norfolk DJ 0]

Smoking does not allways KILL you......its only sometimes does....Im willing to take the chance.

 

 

But you have a great chance it will. Never too late to stop.

 

[Mattaious 0]

Basics of the smoking ban -

 

1)The NON smokers, still dont go to the pub

 

2)Its only affected the pubs/clubs

 

3)It will never change - because - non smokers would whine about it to much

 

4)The DJ trade - residencies and others WILL be affected, Once this starts happening to the non smoking dj's who are loosing work, then they'll moan!

 

5)Everyone has there own opinion which should be respected,

 

6)The problem we seem to have is the smoking ban isnt going to effect some forum members, as they dont do the small pubs with a few lights a karaoke, They do nice upmarket hotels and corporate work earning more in one night than some dj's get for weeks of pub residencies!

 

7)I again repeat myself - Wait until a ruling or ban comes in that effects the non smokers, making them do something stupid and they'll soon moan!

 

 

 

[High Fidelity 0]

How have other "smoking" DJ's found it for their own fixes since the ban.

 

I work single handed, so no roadie to watch the gear while I nip outside.

 

I've found that if it's a good gig, and I'm really enjoying myself, then I don't miss my fix too much. The worst times are when it's a "dead" gig. Then I really miss it.

[jayboy 0]

How have other "smoking" DJ's found it for their own fixes since the ban.

 

I work single handed, so no roadie to watch the gear while I nip outside.

 

I've found that if it's a good gig, and I'm really enjoying myself, then I don't miss my fix too much. The worst times are when it's a "dead" gig. Then I really miss it.

 

thats the same for me if its a really buzing night then its fine its when u dont enjoy it u really feel the strain.

[bigMCben 0]

As someone who's been working with the smoking ban for eighteen months, I can't agree with all the doom and gloom being predicted. Yes, there is an issue with half your audience disappearing from time to time. Yes, your moonflowers and other lighting effects now look sh :cense: te unless you have a smoke machine and lots of places don't let you use one but no, I haven't seen a downturn in business. Functions are still going ahead and pubs are still having weekly discos. I'm sure that you will have to make some changes but certainly here in Edinburgh, I haven't seen a decline in work for DJs.

[Danno13 0]

I agree.. if the only thing that draws people to a pub, is the fact that they can smoke.. then it doesn't say much for that pub!! It also doesn't paint a good picture of smokers as a group, i think you guys shouldn't be so hard on yourselves tongue out icon

Edited August 9, 2007 by Danno13

[NRG Roadshow 0]

But you have a great chance it will. Never too late to stop.

 

No you actually have a greater chance that it wont kill you.......and I dont give a Full-Up Power Pack (I couldn't be bothered to click on a smilie) whoever the next person is thats gonna post some dumb statistic that proves me wrong.......I dont care a monkeys what yah say, Im a smoker and I will always smoke and if it kills me, then so what?

 

Stop smoking and become like you whining lot........become something that I hate......Satan himself will be Iceskating to work before that happens......

 

 

[NiM 0]

Would it be a dumb statistic cos it would prove your theory is slightly off base again?

 

Who needs to stop smoking to whine?

[Corabar Steve 0]

This is getting rather tedious now.

 

I've had one hell of a cough since Monday

[NRG Roadshow 0]

Would it be a dumb statistic cos it would prove your theory is slightly off base again?

 

Who needs to stop smoking to whine?

 

No I just dont care about the statistics........if I did I wouldnt still be smoking......thiers a chuffing great warning on every pack saying smoking kills etc.......

Actually made me laugh a few years ago when they made the warning twice the size it used to be.....I was like yah that really gonna make a lot of difference LOL

You could stapple a real tar clogged lung to the front of the packet and I guarentee a smoker would still put the ciggie in their mouths and light it tongue out icon

[Paul Smith 0]

True Story:

 

I was in a shop behind this dear old lady who was buying some cigarettes. 'Don't give me the one's that say 'Smoking Kills' on the front - I'll have that next packet - ' Smoking when pregnant harms your baby' cos I'm past all that' tongue out icon

[NiM 0]

yeah, I always like the smoking whilst pregnant ones because I know (according to someones theory) that they won't harm me at all..