Band Or DJ

[C.S 0]

I've never worked with a band who've had a PA worth more than my own... and thats not to brag or anything, its just that they nearly always have something mid range like peavey, with one amp and a cheap PA mixer. And again, split between 5 people, they'd have to have some serious gear to equal the investment of even an average DJ setup.

 

 

 

I am doing an mc \warm up dj gig this summer for bryan adams so i will check out if he has used more than me on gear and if he pays his agent more than your average dj would tongue out icon sorry i know its off topic but i couldnt resist it !

Edited February 25, 2008 by C.S

[supersound dj 0]

I think live music went down the pan after 3rd february 1959.I love rock n roll so im a bit bias.

[UKHero 0]

I think live music went down the pan after 3rd february 1959.I love rock n roll so im a bit bias.

 

Oh cool what was he like live ???

[deejaymitch 0]

Even when divided per head? I doubt it....

 

An act is an act. I don't buy the whole "they should get more because there are more of them" argument. Where do you draw the line? Should a 5-piece band be paid more than a 3-piece band just because the have more members to share the money between? What about Polyphonic Spree or Blazin' Squad (groups with 10+ members)? Were they paid more to play at shows than the Stereophonics or Atomic Kitten (trying to compare like with like-ish)? I doubt it very much.

[UKHero 0]

An act is an act. I don't buy the whole "they should get more because there are more of them" argument. Where do you draw the line? Should a 5-piece band be paid more than a 3-piece band just because the have more members to share the money between? What about Polyphonic Spree or Blazin' Squad (groups with 10+ members)? Were they paid more to play at shows than the Stereophonics or Atomic Kitten (trying to compare like with like-ish)? I doubt it very much.

 

Yes these bands are on the wedding curcuit a lot arnt they I see what you mean.......... NOT!!!

 

So if a DJ gets say £250 for a gig a seven piece band should get the same?? Fool them for having more members is this your argument???

[NRG Roadshow 0]

I think live music went down the pan after 3rd february 1959.I love rock n roll so im a bit bias.

 

Why what happened?

 

Oh yea just remembered as thats a date allways etched into my brain......

 

"A plane crash near Clear Lake, Iowa kills Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and The Big Bopper. "

 

 

 

 

[robbiedj 0]

Oh cool what was he like live ???

 

 

Well, I only saw one of them live. :ads:

 

But Buddy Holly on stage could grab an audience like Freddy Mercury or Elvis did. My Mum made my older sister take me to his show. I was 10 years old and hooked from that moment.

 

 

I have seen Big Bopper Jr, his son and he was good. He sounded just like his Dad, a person he never even met as he wasn't born when the plane crashed.

 

And Ritchie Valens can still fill a dance floor. He did on Saturday night, with an audience who didn't even know who he was.

[UKHero 0]

Fantastic I always wish I had been old enough to see the beatles but was to young..

 

That makes you 59 then I guess, Where did you see him...

[robbiedj 0]

Fantastic I always wish I had been old enough to see the beatles but was to young..

 

We both saw them at Finsbury Park Astoria for a Christmas show. Supporting acts Cilla Black & Tommy Roe.

 

That makes you 59 then I guess, Where did you see him...

 

No, 60, it was in '58, and, if I remember, in Walthamstow.

 

I also saw Duane Eddy at Tottenham Royal, spoke to him about our lead guitarist, Derek (no not that one) wanting to meet him. He spent 2 hours in the coffe shop talking music with us. Boy, was he tall. I'm 6'2'' but he was taller.

 

A couple of years ago, however, we saw Chuck Berry live at the Cafe de Paris. He was superb, on for over an hour and still rocking and high-kicking at 76. tongue out icon

[deejaymitch 0]

Yes these bands are on the wedding curcuit a lot arnt they I see what you mean.......... NOT!!!

 

So if a DJ gets say £250 for a gig a seven piece band should get the same?? Fool them for having more members is this your argument???

 

 

I'm saying that if you book one act to provide an evening's entertainment, you pay for one act, regardless of the number of members. Otherwise, as I asked earlier, where do you draw the line? If we assume that a 4-piece should get more than a DJ based purely on the number of people involved, then should a 7-piece get more again? If so, why not keep adding more members to the band and hike the prices up so that the boys with the triangle and the kazoo can get a cut as well?

Edited February 26, 2008 by deejaymitch

[UKHero 0]

I'm saying that if you book one act to provide an evening's entertainment, you pay for one act, regardless of the number of members. Otherwise, as I asked earlier, where do you draw the line? If we assume that a 4-piece should get more than a DJ based purely on the number of people involved, then should a 7-piece get more again? If so, why not keep adding more members to the band and hike the prices up so that the boys with the triangle and the kazoo can get a cut as well?

 

Why not? if there a required part of the band.... With one of the tributes I work with they go out as a four five six seven or even eight piece dependant on budget and clients needs this is how it works. They use me for sound and also hire in a roadie were not on stage but have to be paid. Your argument does not stand up.

 

So what your saying is

 

Act 1 Solo DJ gets paid £250

Act 2 4 piece band gets paid £250 = £62.50 per member

Act 3 7 piece band gets paid £250 = £35.71 per member

Act 4 7 piece band roadie and sound engineer gets paid £250 = £27.77 per member

 

You are getting so much more for your money with acts 2,3,4 but they should all get less. How can you say this infact if this was the case everyone would be DJs and just earn £250 but then the market would be even more flooded and people who are used of getting paid £27.77 in your world of economics would say hey I will do your disco for £35 and im still up on being in a band where I would have to practise a couple of times a week..

 

Sorry Mitch but you dont make sense mate....

 

Nik

 

[Dukesy 0]

Being fair guys, is this really in relation to the topic question or a subject all in itself? smile icon

 

[UKHero 0]

Being fair guys, is this really in relation to the topic question or a subject all in itself? smile icon

 

 

I know what your saying Dan but sometimes threads open up into something else and sometimes more important. I think this thread has evolved to show how some DJs treat and feel about bands... Maybe you could split it in to two threads so people can if they wish continue to comment on this and also Pauls thread..

 

Nik

 

[Dukesy 0]

Topic moved to non public area.

[deejaymitch 0]

I think this thread has evolved to show how some DJs treat and feel about bands...

 

Can you explain this please Nik?

 

All the comments about bands have been positive and respectful. I have been in bands and have always enjoyed nights where I am booked along with a band.

 

[Paul Smith 0]

I know what your saying Dan but sometimes threads open up into something else and sometimes more important. I think this thread has evolved to show how some DJs treat and feel about bands... Maybe you could split it in to two threads so people can if they wish continue to comment on this and also Pauls thread..

 

Nik

The thread started out about bands and is kinda sticking to the theme - best get it all over with in one thread than split it.

 

There are a couple of posts that have challenged my initial diagnosis . That's fine - I posted what I considered to be my feelings at the time of that post.

 

Personally I don't have a problem with bands - I used to play in one and I have family members who still do. I also get on well with all bands that I work with. The original post was my response to a question Band or DJ or Both. I tried to answer fairly but at the end of the day I'm not a salesman for bands, only DJs - let bands post and sell themselves - I ain't gonna do it all for them.

[UKHero 0]

Can you explain this please Nik?

 

All the comments about bands have been positive and respectful. I have been in bands and have always enjoyed nights where I am booked along with a band.

 

Yes I can even though you have failed to answer my last responce to your previous point

 

Here are some quotes taken from this thread...

 

When I have worked with a band they have comandeered the stage and have been late starting so I've started playing at 11.30 lol by which time the blandness of them had sent most people home or to sleep lol

 

Think you come across as a dj trying to diss bands so that you get more work to be honest.

 

 

I've never worked with a band who've had a PA worth more than my own... and thats not to brag or anything, its just that they nearly always have something mid range like peavey, with one amp and a cheap PA mixer

 

I think live music went down the pan after 3rd february 1959

 

An act is an act. I don't buy the whole "they should get more because there are more of them" argument. Where do you draw the line?

 

There have been other thread on DJU complaining about bands taking the stage and such like...

 

As I have said before we are in this together to provide the best we can for our client not argue about who is best who should have the stage etc...

 

Nik

 

 

 

[deejaymitch 0]

 

Here are some quotes taken from this thread...

 

When I have worked with a band they have comandeered the stage and have been late starting so I've started playing at 11.30 lol by which time the blandness of them had sent most people home or to sleep lol

 

Think you come across as a dj trying to diss bands so that you get more work to be honest.

I've never worked with a band who've had a PA worth more than my own... and thats not to brag or anything, its just that they nearly always have something mid range like peavey, with one amp and a cheap PA mixer

 

I think live music went down the pan after 3rd february 1959

 

An act is an act. I don't buy the whole "they should get more because there are more of them" argument. Where do you draw the line?

 

Looking at those quotes, only the first one is genuinely saying anything negative about bands. And even that is a comment on the inconvenience having a band and DJ causes, not an attack on the quality of the entertainment. Therefore I still fail to see how, from this thread, you can try and claim that there is any ill-feeling or mistreatment toward bands from DJs.

[Reverandfunk 0]

My quote about the stage came as we were given no option as to where to set up and they were just generally a pain in the backside and dressed like tramps and were totally unprofessional as well as rubbish.

 

I have worked with entertainers and always offer to introduce them, put a bit of smoke out etc etc.

 

However as a personal opinion I just think a DJ is the best option as we can usually entertain the whole audience by playing different genres

[UKHero 0]

Looking at those quotes, only the first one is genuinely saying anything negative about bands. And even that is a comment on the inconvenience having a band and DJ causes, not an attack on the quality of the entertainment. Therefore I still fail to see how, from this thread, you can try and claim that there is any ill-feeling or mistreatment toward bands from DJs.

 

Then I guess we read this thread differently as it feels to me that in places people are trying to say that disco entertainment is superior to live music and in my opinion it is not... But that is all it is my opinion.

 

I guess you dont want to comment on my answer to your other point. So we shall have to agree to disagre I guess.

 

Nik

 

[C.S 0]

I agree with Nik

[Mr P 0]

Can i add my 2 pence worth?

 

I think i must be quite lucky, most of my work is working with Bands (this is how i met UK Hero) and i have not had problems with any of them, i have had the pleasure of working with mature musicians and younger musicians, and the only problems i have come across is some do not give out a playlist. This has happened a couple of times now and on the other ocaassions where this has happened i have gone over at the end and apologised and been told 'don't worry mate - it is good for us to hear the original'

 

But has i say i have had no problems and this is working with Showbands etc.

 

I do feel guilty at times has the club i work at pay me a fee and they offer the bands a fee or what is taken on the door, and on a coople of times they have opted for the fee on the door and walked away with much less than i have picked up but hey at the end of the day we all know what we are going out for.

 

Thanks

 

Chris

[Stephen_N.I. 0]

Following on from this:

I've had three recent bookings that were just a disco now changed to band and disco.

I think 2008 is the year of the bands.

I try to discourage them explaining that it will take time for the band to take down their equipment and me to put up mine, a loss of at least an hour's worth of music.

 

[UKHero 0]

Following on from this:

I've had three recent bookings that were just a disco now changed to band and disco.

I think 2008 is the year of the bands.

I try to discourage them explaining that it will take time for the band to take down their equipment and me to put up mine, a loss of at least an hour's worth of music.

 

Can you and the band not work together to make the customer happy ?????

[Mr P 0]

Following UK Hero, i have had no problems with this, usually the bands are there setting up as i get there, by the time they have finished i am set up with background music playing, then i just tell anyone present that the band wish to do a sound check, and usually as they finish their set i start playing and they can dismatle and as the lights are down people are usually dancing etc and the band can do as they please - umnlike when i met UK Hero whoby the time the band had packed their gear away poor UK Hero was still winding his leads up - it is these guys i feel sorry for the sound guys who are there at the start-middle-end!

 

Chris