Pwdrin 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Sorry, I don't know the venue and my cystal ball is on the blink again . What capacity is the venue?, high ceiling?, reflective sound surfaces?, any alcoves leading off the main hall area?, what sort of music and functions will you be covering?. It is normally kj or weddings in the Scarlets, so really just old music etc. It holds about 400 maybe more if its fully open. The ceilings are around 3m. No reflective sound surfaces. And you play in an alcove that is infront of the dance floor, where you can place your speakers outside. When I've been there djing we have used around 600 Watts and I find when you use the mic etc its too quiet, and in some places the music could be louder. But we got told to turn it down the other day for some man to chat :S How many speakers will you be plugging into the mixer?. According to the spec of the PMH3000 the 400W output is into 4 ohms, which means running a total of 4x 8 ohm speakers (2x 8ohm speakers plugged into each channel). If you only use 1 pair of speakers then the output from the mixer is only 200W RMS per channel, which is probably just adequate for a small pub or childrens party. I doubt it would be suitable for functions in a large room, at least not comfortably and you'd be pushing it to the limit all of the time, and probably getting distortion by doing so. What if I get something like this 1200W RMS or 2000 Peak. Seems like a decent price. But I am worried about transport, I only have a small car and really would like to take as little as possible. But If I am only taking two speakers lights and stand. And I can put the mixer and laptop up on passengers seat I should be fine... maybe. As tthey are all 4oms I would think that it would give 1200W which would be excellent for £400 =D Personally, if you want to go down the powered route, I'd suggest getting a similar unpowered mixer with the same features, but no built in amplifier. Then buy a pair of powered speakers with built in amplifiers and drive them from the line / balanced output of the mixer. Depending on the make, these tend to be 300W - 450W per cabinet, which is far more workable for an average function than the 200W which you have in your example, plus you don't have to worry about ohms and matching speakers to amplifiers because that is all built in These sound good:- http://www.whybuynew.co.uk/Behringer-B215A...e-Speakers.html They arequite pricey for 800W, even though I wont need an amp etc, and if I end up needing more power, the only kit I can borrow, is PA speakers, and theres only one amp that works well. So I will end up needing an amp anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
McCardle 1 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) It holds about 400 maybe more if its fully open. The ceilings are around 3m. No reflective sound surfaces. And you play in an alcove that is infront of the dance floor, where you can place your speakers outside. When I've been there djing we have used around 600 Watts and I find when you use the mic etc its too quiet, and in some places the music could be louder. But we got told to turn it down the other day for some man to chat :S If the venue is filled to capacity then you are going to need a hell of a lot more than 2x 200W for 400 people, even one pair of 2x 400W powered speakers probably wouldn't cut it without some additional reinforcement, perhaps from another pair of powereds and a decent bass bin. I assume that you are charging a reasonable wedge for covering a venue of this size and capacity, after all you can't buy a cavier soundsystem with peanuts, nor work a titantic venue with a row boat sound system . It just doesn't work like that. Personally, id recommend at least 1200w - 1400w at the minimum to do this venue, perhaps using a system which uses two 15" full range and two 15" bass bins or 4x powereds and an active sub. But I am worried about transport, I only have a small car and really would like to take as little as possible If you are serious about going into business properly then maybe you need to consider getting a better / bigger form of transport. This may sound harsh, but if you are serious about doing something then surely its better to go about it right the first time rather than keep throwing half-measures at it or cutting corners?. If you only want a small system, and to keep your existing transport then surely it would be better to concentrate on smaller venues, perhaps I would also check out the dimensions of the 1200W peavey package to ensure they will fit in your vehicle, because they are huge and heavy, and if you have a small car the last thing you need is for plod to pull you for overloading because the rear end of your car is bouncing along the road. If you are just starting out and testing the market, then maybe an idea would be to hire as you require....either the system or a van / estate car for transporting whatever you decide to buy. Edited September 13, 2009 by McCardle "The voice of the devil is heard in our land" 'War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left, and you wont win this war.' Link to post Share on other sites
Pwdrin 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 It is normally only half at any one time. My brother does every event booked through them. He use to use 800W but theres something wrong with them, so he uses some like 20 year old one:S The thing with getting a new car is impossible. I am gonna be in uni next year and will only come back on weekends if I have bookings. And I am only 17 and doing my test next month, so no way I can rent anything. The only thing I could do is ask my parents to take me down and pick my equipment the next day. What is a no anyway. that also goes with me looking for cheap equipment, I have been offered like a booking a weekend all over december plus another one on New Years day. So I hope that I get the money back what I should anyway. Then it will be work from friends etc until xmas etc again. Link to post Share on other sites
Pwdrin 0 Posted September 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 Just quickly I've found the few I really fancy just wanna know if the lights are any good, And if it would be better just getting two spinny things lol. I would be able to fit this in my car if I put the seats down. - Behringer PMH3000 £219 | Mixer - Peavey Pro Sub & Pro 15 Package 1200W RMS - £449 | Speakers -Acme Super Nova Pack £169 | Lights Total price so far is around £800 so will prob end up getting different lights. Would the amp power the speakers, from maplin maybe. Knock it down by like £100 if I can haha Link to post Share on other sites
McCardle 1 Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 (edited) Just quickly I've found the few I really fancy just wanna know if the lights are any good People listen and respond / dance to music and not lights, so I'd concentrate on your sound at the moment (because you are a LONNNNGGGG way from getting it sorted), and put all of your spare money towards getting a decent system. To put it blunt, what lighting you have is gonna be pretty much immaterial if your sound is crap, the audio is painful to listen to, and nobody can tell what the hell you are burbling down the mic, so your clients aren't impressed and basically you don't get rebooked. They'll just go out and find a Dj with a better sound system and one which is more suitable for the venue - and lets face it there are 1000's of Dj's out there to choose from after all. Buy a decent sound system right from the offset, even if it means delaying the start of your gigs and saving up for longer. If you don't get it right, and you find that your cost that whatever you buy can't cope then its going to have been a complete waste of money for you, and you'll be right back where you started from and still have to spend once again in order to find something that can cope. Working a large(er) venue means a larger (and expensive) sound system, and you can't really get away with the corner cutting that would apply in small Behringer PMH3000 £219 | Mixer - Peavey Pro Sub & Pro 15 Package 1200W RMS - £449 | Speakers Why are you still intent on buying a mixer with a 2x 400W amplifier? - it will still only provide 2x 400W into the Peavey Package, and its still going to be struggling in a room with 400 people. With these speakers you need to be looking at 2x 600W at least. 400 people all talking in a large room or rows of solid bodies gyrating on the dancefloor soaks up a lot of audio power, and you still want your mic to be heard at the back don't you. Would the amp power the speakers, from maplin maybe I really think you need to take some time to see and research what equipment other Dj's are using in the same situation, because its usually a clue to how they've managed to stay in business for many many years. One thing that you will probably find is that Maplin isn't exactly a prefered supplier to those 'in the know' or those who have been DJ'ing for 20 or 30 years. Draw your own conclusions from that. Unfortunately in some cases your equipment shortlist suggestions take a step forward on one item, only to take a huge step backwards on another. Your entire system and the sound quality that the audience actually hear is only going to ever sound as good as the weakest (cheapest) link in the chain. So if you pay £449 for speakers and then cut corners on a £149 amplifier, then your system is going to sound more like the £149 aspect than the £449 one. Far better to be consistant and buy components of equal quality right the way through the system. I'm going to take a break from this thread, and let somebody with more staying power, have a go , because to be kind, I really don't think we are getting anywhere or that you are fully taking on board what is being said on this thread, and how important making a good first impression is to starting and running a customer based business. Edited September 14, 2009 by McCardle "The voice of the devil is heard in our land" 'War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left, and you wont win this war.' Link to post Share on other sites
Pwdrin 0 Posted September 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 Sorry mate, the thing Im thinking of is the way I can lend these out when Im in uni, coz theres no way I can take all my kit into a single room. I will be keeping it a hours drive away. With the equipment Im selecting I can get the local bands to rent it out etc. I've also been thinking about a Numark omni mixer. Basically because it has the sound card built in and software. But that's rather pricey... And if I'm not doing production do I need it? Just need a cross fader and I can go really. What is the difference between the stealth and just ion icue? Neither have a sound card so is it just better quality and software? For the amp etc, would getting this deal, Peavey and amp, or would another better quality amp work. It would end up cheaper with the amp and speaker deal anyway. So thanks for taking me from the light =D Link to post Share on other sites
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