Is This Right?

[wendyice 0]

http://www.lolliparties.com/lolli_site/site/discos.htm

 

 

i checked tis site out cos i was curious when i seen the ad on here.

 

they seem to have some strong things to say about what a DJ MUST LEGALLY HAVE.

check it out and see if you agree that their remarks are somewhat wide of the truth.

[deejaymitch 0]

I am health & safety trained through my previous job but I find it hard to believe that DJ's are legally required to be. I would have thought it is the responsibility of the venue, not the entertainer.

[Reverandfunk 0]

CRB/DISCLOSURE

If you have under 16's at your party, the DJ has to have CRB clearance.

 

PAT TEST CERTIFICATION

All equipment must be tested for electrical safety.

 

HEALTH + SAFETY CERTIFICATION

DJs must be H+S trained

 

 

In my limited experience I would say all of the above staments are lies basically.

 

[wendyice 0]

it wasnt just that tho, they went on to say that pat is a legal requirement as is pli and crb checks.

 

pat is not a legal requirement i dont think, neither is crb they are hugely misleading the public on their site and stating as fact that any dj without all their legalities (so called) is a cowboy.

 

in effect we are all cowboys except them.

not impressed at all.

 

 

we must have posted at the same time lol.

Edited July 7, 2008 by wendyice

[Reverandfunk 0]

Just read some more of the things they state a DJ must have. Complete untruths, might drop them an email if I'm bored later..

[wendyice 0]

how do the ads work on here? is it a link or a paid ad?

i dont want to deprive the site of ad revenue or anything but i would get on to them if it were me and have them change it or remove it.

 

it is putting dj's down and yet it is advertising on a dj forum at the same time as calling us cowboys.

[Jimbo55 0]

The only one I can find fault with is with the CRB Check and even that is correct under some recommendations BUT only if there is risk of the DJ coming into a supervising role WITHOUT parents or other responsible CRB checked adults not present. It can also apply to vulnerable adults. Generally the recommendation is if you come into contact with children and/or vulnerable adults then a CRB is required. It will become law soon under new guidlines

 

Health and Safety, if he is a limited company then it is required by law.

 

Insurance .. Stupid not to

 

PAT ..stupid not to and as a limited company he is required by law to show that regular safety checks take place. PAT is an easy way of doing this.

 

We should all be doing this even as a part time DJ. Generally what he is saying is correct.

Edited July 7, 2008 by Jimbo55

[UKHero 0]

I guess some DJs use scare tactics to get the work, Some use equipment badges to get the work and some, ask what the customer wants to get the work....

 

There seems to be a little miss information going on on that site.... IMHO

 

Nik

[cmj 0]

It does seem a little on the scaremongering side if I'm being honest. . . . . . .

[Jimbo55 0]

So more than a few cowboys then?

[Reverandfunk 0]

PLI - Not Law

PAT - Not Law

CRB - Not Law

 

Yes maybe best practise but not law so the bloke is a blatent liar

[Jimbo55 0]

Try saying that in a court when the Crap hits the fan. The courts where there is no law, will use best practice to guide them in a ruling. See SEDA and NADJ for best practice.

Edited July 7, 2008 by Jimbo55

[Reverandfunk 0]

I dont recall saying I didnt have them Jimbo just saying that it is NOT law as stated on the website.

 

Perhaps when you put your glasses on you could look at the website!

 

So when did SEDA and NADJ become legal advisors?

[UKHero 0]

I have to agree with the Rev on this one Jim its not Law... Best practice maybe, a sales gimmic maybe but not a legal requirment at the moment...

 

I know people who work in the broadcast industry who do not have there equipment PAT'd, It does seem to be a DJ thing to bandie about, Just my threpney bits worth,

 

Nik

[jukeboxdj 0]

although they are not legal requirements most of us have them for our own safety and protection

but surely there are regulations that cover the fact that they have false statements on their website

 

but with society going the way it is i feel that i will come in the future anyway

[Robster 0]

http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/

[DJJEG 0]

CRB is not a requirement, i have been running public teen disco's for 20 years & have never required a CRB even until recently my parent helpers were not CRB Checked, they are now only due to the fact that one is now a football coach & the other teaches ju-do

But we have never been asked whilst running a teen disco

Even If it is a private booking yet again CRB is not required

As for PAT testing or PLI it is not required by law

[vokf 0]

I've just read the site.... Load of rubbish!

I guess we could add warning "Beware of DJ's registered as a Ltd Co. They could disappear with your deposit and you won't get a refund! Stick with Sole-Traders/Partnerships instead!"

 

 

Interestingly enough, the site is probably in breach of the DDA, which also covers the internet and websites;

 

What does the law say about service providers?

 

If you are a provider of goods, facilities or services you have duties under the Disability Discrimination Act (DDA), which make it unlawful to discriminate against members of the public on the grounds of disability. These duties came into force from 2 December 1996 on a phased basis, so if youre a service provider, you need to know how the Act affects your business.

 

It is unlawful to discriminate against disabled people by:

 

* refusing to provide a service without justification;

* providing a service to a lesser standard without justification;

* providing a service on worse terms without justification;

* failing to make reasonable adjustments to the way services are provided for disabled people;

* failing to make reasonable adjustments to the physical features of service premises, to overcome physical barriers to access.

 

Any seeing-impaired members fancy some fun with this? tongue out icon

 

Jason

[Andy Westcott 0]

Oh well, while we are discussing his web site, I thought it a little odd that teenagers' discos warranted only the smallest of the available sound systems.

 

In my experience, 16 - 18 year discos are generally the loudest...

[jukeboxdj 0]

Oh well, while we are discussing his web site, I thought it a little odd that teenagers' discos warranted only the smallest of the available sound systems.

 

In my experience, 16 - 18 year discos are generally the loudest...

 

 

i never noticed that but you are spot on i always need to do things louder for the young ones

 

are they forum members as it would be interesting to see the response from them regarding this thread

[Dream Catchers 0]

The new consumer regulations that came into force a couple of months ago supposedly stop people advertising like that.

Maybe it should be reported.

BTW I have PLI, all my gear is PATed, I am insured as a mobile DJ for my van and I pay my tax and NI.

 

Jim

[Dynamite Discos 0]

I've been out of the game for a while now and unfortunately the name of the original(?) site escapes me but i am 100% certain i've seen the photo on his homepage before (i'm pretty sure i've seen it on more than one other site)

 

Unless he (and i suspect this is not the case) is indeed the original DJ to take that photo i expect it's not just these legailties on his website that are fraudulant!!

 

(of course this is just my humble opinon)

 

 

UPDATE...

 

 

It's just come to me in a flash of inspiration (pretty good bit of memory going on there!) -*** NAME REMOVED BY CO - ADMIN:cense: - the photo is definately on his homepage too (and he has others that look like the same rig so i know who my money would be on to be the original taker)

Edited July 8, 2008 by Mattaious

[jeffwall 0]

some of the stuff written on the site is well errr a bit ... silly!!

 

Like "those to tight to spend on a medium show" what????? I'd click off it as soon as I read that one!!

 

And "were pretty good looking too" yuk yuk fingers down throat!!

 

And " we love you too, you cant really NOT love us" more fingers down throat!!

 

Tell you what I am fuming at their remarks about dreading a DJ if he's not got a CRB! And insinuating that its becuase we tax evade!! cheeky gits want telling!

 

The whole site is based upon bull **** and scare tactics, they have made it a huge issue on CRB and PAT test and all the rest of the crap they have put in the site.... H and S trained!! what??? you mean we need to be aware how to do a simple risk assesment thats all!! Anyone can do a simple risk assessment at every gig.

 

Just common sense prevails, like dont balance a speaker on 2 legged stand, or dont put a hot light by the kids playing bla bla

 

And to say that most DJ's are basically crap and tax evade just because we run our business from home is completely outragous!

 

rant over!

 

 

[wendyice 0]

i emailed them and got a right snotty response unfiorunately i deleted it in a fit of pique.

 

maybe someone else could mail them in a less rude manner than i did lol.

[GREG'S MOBILE DISCO 0]

What a bunch of condescending Ass:cense:s! To insinuate that all other DJ's are either working illegally or are paedophiles, in order to secure gigs is shameful behaviour on their part and shows a total lack of respect for fellow DJ's.

How can they get away with putting this crap on their website? If something isn't actually a legal requirement,they shouldn't be stating that it is.

They are even condescending to their potential clients - "those too tight......?"

If I was a potential client I would have left their site on reading this alone....... :rant: