4th July Childrens Party

[DiscoJack 0]

:aa Well i had a feeling it was going to be a bad day from the start lol because the person who booking my services didnt seem sure on anything i asked but when i got there all was going great, new smoke merchine and speakers were rigged and working.... then the police and the fire service turned up :aa turned out the venue had a silent fire alarm which i dont understand the point in because wouldnt people die if they cant here it... and had a sound limiter so the police turned up. managed to straighten it all out tho in the end saying that i didnt no ect ect but it was manic. never again lol

[Dukesy 0]

I believe more and more venues which host entertainment refuse smoke machines and related.

Can appreciate if the venue has modern smoke detectors and do not wish to be black-marked by the fire services...but isn't all this a pity?

 

Such is life!

 

Bubble machines will probably be next.....and then lasers....and then speakers.

 

Where will it end?!

 

[jukeboxdj 0]

i have come across a lot more venues refusing smoke/haze machines and had two refuse bubble machines due to "Health and Safety"......someone might slip and break their neck was the words

 

we will all dj inside a little glass ... sorry blast proof glass box in the corner with two torches and an i pod ...this is the future tongue out icon

[NRG Roadshow 0]

turned out the venue had a silent fire alarm which i dont understand the point in because wouldnt people die if they cant here it... and had a sound limiter so the police turned up.

 

Errr Silent Fire Alarm.....and the point of that is what exactly?

Bout as much use as a chocolate fire guard, isnt the main point of a fire alarm so that everyone knows theirs a fire and leaves the building by the nearest available exit?

 

And the Police turning up because of a sound limiter, have they nothing better to do!

You would be lucky if they turned up that quick if the place was getting burgled, but they turn up coz the DJ is playing barbie girl a bit on the loud side, thats crazy :scared:

 

In fact its unbelievable.......its not April the 1st is it

[DJ JENX 0]

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And the Police turning up because of a sound limiter, have they nothing better to do!

You would be lucky if they turned up that quick if the place was getting burgled, but they turn up coz the DJ is playing barbie girl a bit on the loud side, thats crazy :scared:

 

 

 

why did this one end up with abuse the police force?!

 

A call comes through the call centre, be it 999 or any other type, the call gets prioritised, usually into three catogeries. One being get there within 8 minutes, the other get there within 1 hour and the other 1 day.

 

Someone robbing the place, would be an urgent and thus 8 minute response time, although if a further 20 calls from elsewhere require this they will get there asap.

 

A Sound limiter would be, get there within 1 hour, again unless other calls take you elsewhere you cant meet that, but if your not doing anything youll go there.

 

I wish people would understand that the police officer in the nick or in the car doesnt get a report of an incident and say " oh nah i wont go to that ill instead wait here for a bit and then go"

 

Why are the police getting abused for the fact that the venue had a sound limiter?

 

If they get a call of noise pollution they wont just say " oh I have nothing better to do"

 

 

They have to go its their job, its the LAW!

 

 

Rant over

[analyst 0]

why did this one end up with abuse the police force?!

Well, a good enough reason, as I have just pointed out in another thread, is that the police have no powers to deal with noise in premises. So I'm afraid, your rant is wholly unjustified.

 

The police should not have been there and even if they were, there is nothing they could (legally) do about noise. Quite frankly, WTF they should be on notice for a noise limiter is absolutely beyond me.

 

Could it be that the noise limiter was incorrectly wired to the burglar alarm system and the police thought that had gone off?

They have to go its their job, its the LAW!

Oh no it isn't. In fact, the LAW actually excludes them because the LAW states who is the 'competent authority' for enforcement, and that is NOT the police.

 

Sheesh! Gets more lunatic every day.

 

 

[eazy 0]

police usless dont start me

 

had a trailer stolen with pa inside , phoned the police now it had only been gone for an hour ish ??? but anyway phoned them and waqs told we'll put a discription out for other officers to be on the lookout for it , dont see any point in coming out to look at anything like the lock that had been cut of or maybe fingerprints on the gates that would have been opened and it was about 10:30 and his words where its a bit late now too dark ???

 

so anyways about an hour later got stoped by a police checkpoint was around xmas so the drink drive checks were about about 6 miles from where my trailer had been taken so out of curiosity asked if they had been informed of a trailer to look out for

 

answer no nobody has told us anything !!!

 

useless sorry thats just 1 story but im afraid the police are usless try and defend them all you like they do not do anything to protect socity apart from make sure you tax your car and dont drive to fast , wear your seatbelt or drive on the phone if all other crime was persued the was motering offences are the place would be alot safer

[DJ JENX 0]

I dont know why I bother sometimes, I forget that you all know better than everyone else!

 

Oh and ill finish by saying that noise pollution is a breach of the peace, and therefore the police are within their rights to investigate and deal with accordingly. Usually by reporting it to the council to get their environment department on the case.

 

There are good and bad coppers, just as there are also good and bad DJs, doctors, chefs, librarians and Mcdonalds staff. Unfortunately only the bad points of any business/job ever get the word of mouth.

 

I would challenge you all to have 1 night shift with the police and see how the thing works, and until you do, youll never understand all youll always moan. Usually because you, yourself have had a bad experience. The person with the trailer, fair enough I can understand how that is annoying, but the PC would have had to call in a crimes of scene officer in, or a CID officer to take fingerprints. Drink drivers, believe it or not are much more dangerous to society than a trailer thief.

YOu have insurance to get a new one, and the likely hood is that the trailer is already in a garage gone.

However an elderly lady, or a young child, or even you yourself getting run over by a di :cense: d who is driving fast, or dangerously, or on a mobile, or drink driving, or in a car that is unlikely to be taxed, therefore unlikely to be MOTd, and therefore unlikely to be road worthy which could cause an accident, is much more dangerous and a higher priority than a minor theft.

 

Look up the facts of deaths and accidents that Britain gets everyday.

 

I challenge you to find out how many people are injured or killed on the road every day. I then challenge you to find out how many trailer thieves kill or injure people. GET YOUR PRIORITIES RIGHT PEOPLE!

 

The culture that we have in Britain, where all road users think its ok to speed, drive dangerously, shave while driving, eat or phone people while driving is basically what gives the police a bad name.

 

I pull someone over and they ask if I have anything better to do....ERM NO, that is why I stopped you, your driving like an ass and are likely to kill someone, If i was to let you go by and then around the corner you ran over a child, guess what, the police force get critisised for not stopping you!

 

Again, I wish the police would take citizens in the cars like they do in america. I bet if you had one shift and saw the crap that the police put up with, when you see how busy they are with calls of assaults, knife crime, domestics and all the other stuff, you will see that when all these calls come in and then one about a trailer getting stolen comes in, youll see how the trailer one is not quite as important immediately.

 

But that will never happen, narrow minded fools will never see what really goes on and will always moan that the police are doing wrong by simply enforcing the law

Edited July 23, 2008 by jukeboxdj

[Kingy 0]

As a former PC myself, I think I will keep out of this one.

 

Jen, are you in the job then? :dan+ju:

[DJ JENX 0]

As a former PC myself, I think I will keep out of this one.

 

Jen, are you in the job then? :dan+ju:

 

I am and I think im getting too stuck into this one but IT DOES MY HEAD IN!! lol

 

Im going to shut up now tongue out icon

[kenny wisdom 0]

Just to lighten the mood - are you a PC-Dj, then?

 

or do you use CiD's????

 

 

Edited July 22, 2008 by kenny wisdom

[DJ JENX 0]

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Just to lighten the mood - are you a PC-Dj, then?

 

or do you use CiD's????

 

[eazy 0]

well now maybe mainland britain ??? you might have a point but northern ireland is a little different especally in my area !!!

 

as for car crime once again my personal experience driving down a road one night maniac drives straight into the back of me sends me spinning , writes of my car police seen it happen !!! they just happened to be driving down the road the opposite way

 

later they found the car but was told we know who owned it but we cant prove it yes they let me down again ???

 

i can go on but i'll leave it !!! as i said maybe areas in england may be different i dont know ??? i dont live there but i have lived 33 years here and couldn't state one good experience

 

apart from they book me for discos lol

[analyst 0]

Oh and ill finish by saying that noise pollution is a breach of the peace, and therefore the police are within their rights to investigate and deal with accordingly.

100% wrong I'm afraid.

 

Under no circumstances could noise pollution in this context be held to be a breach of the peace.

 

Breach of the Peace

 

 

[NRG Roadshow 0]

Oh and ill finish by saying that noise pollution is a breach of the peace, and therefore the police are within their rights to investigate and deal with accordingly. Usually by reporting it to the council to get their environment department on the case.

 

I had a problem with a noisy neighbour, mainly due to him thinking it was was to invite 20 of his mates round and play music at night club levels ALL night......

 

I spoke to the police, and they said its outside of our responsibilty, we now have nothing to do with complaints about noise or nusience neighbours.

We understand your problems but you need to speak to the council and the enviromental health department.

 

So the Police did absolutely nothing..........

 

 

Edited July 22, 2008 by NRG Roadshow

[DJ JENX 0]

I had a problem with a noisy neighbour, mainly due to him thinking it was was to invite 20 of his mates round and play music at night club levels ALL night......

 

I spoke to the police, and they said its outside of our responsibilty, we now have nothing to do with complaints about noise or nusience neighbours.

We understand your problems but you need to speak to the council and the enviromental health department.

 

So the Police did absolutely nothing..........

 

 

that is very true, however again, the police can take a report and pass it to the environental health team.

 

I agree and dis agree with this one as I find it is as clear as a muddy lake

 

There is definately a law, and I will find it when I go in next to deal with loud music, I know this as I remember my SGT having me to book a boy racer for playing music to loudly from a car. He was causing a public nuisance and I am sure it was a breach of the peace. I will find my notes when im in next

[eazy 0]

see lol wanna stay outta trouble dont get a car lol

 

sorry couldn't resist

 

 

[kenny wisdom 0]

that is very true, however again, the police can take a report and pass it to the environental health team.

 

I agree and dis agree with this one as I find it is as clear as a muddy lake

 

There is definately a law, and I will find it when I go in next to deal with loud music, I know this as I remember my SGT having me to book a boy racer for playing music to loudly from a car. He was causing a public nuisance and I am sure it was a breach of the peace. I will find my notes when im in next

 

"Statutory Nuisance", perhaps?

[DJ JENX 0]

"Statutory Nuisance", perhaps?

 

Who knows, I may be wrong here, I admit it when I am!

 

I know that as a force in Wales, we have to deal with noise nuisance problems and alert environmental health departments, and I know that I have taken someone to court, he did get a fine for playing to loud in a car....

 

But I dont really look into the laws surrounding them as usually we dont have to do much, other than alert the council. So I could be wrong.

 

But im probably right :dan+ju:

[analyst 0]

There is definately a law, and I will find it when I go in next to deal with loud music, I know this as I remember my SGT having me to book a boy racer for playing music to loudly from a car. He was causing a public nuisance and I am sure it was a breach of the peace. I will find my notes when im in next

Ah, you are confusing the public highway with a private premises.

 

The police might, yes might, have powers on the public highway, if anti-social behaviour could be demonstrated.

 

However, the police have no powers to deal with noise emanating from a premises.

 

There is definately a law

-Yes, it is the Control of Pollution Act 1990 and it comes within the nuisance provisions of Part III. But the Local Authority (i.e. most probably, but not necessarily, the Env Health Dept.) is defined as the "competent authority" for such legislation, and the police have no powers to deal with it.

 

PEOPLE you must begin to realise that the police are not the be-all-and-end-all of enforcement of every law in the uk. They can only enforce those which the law actually gives them powers to enforce.

 

When did you last see a policeman knocking on the door of someone who hasn't filled in their tax return?

When did you last see a policeman checking the existence of a TV licence?

When did you last see a policeman inspecting the hygiene standards of a restaurant kitchen?

 

These are all controlled by laws and enforcement officials, but not by the police.

[DJ JENX 0]

Ah, you are confusing the public highway with a private premises.

 

The police might, yes might, have powers on the public highway, if anti-social behaviour could be demonstrated.

 

However, the police have no powers to deal with noise emanating from a premises.

 

-Yes, it is the Control of Pollution Act 1990 and it comes within the nuisance provisions of Part III. But the Local Authority (i.e. most probably, but not necessarily, the Env Health Dept.) is defined as the "competent authority" for such legislation, and the police have no powers to deal with it.

 

PEOPLE you must begin to realise that the police are not the be-all-and-end-all of enforcement of every law in the uk. They can only enforce those which the law actually gives them powers to enforce.

 

When did you last see a policeman knocking on the door of someone who hasn't filled in their tax return?

When did you last see a policeman checking the existence of a TV licence?

When did you last see a policeman inspecting the hygiene standards of a restaurant kitchen?

 

These are all controlled by laws and enforcement officials, but not by the police.

 

 

Analyst, yes all valid points, but again comes back to the point that the police do and will knock on the door of a nuisance neighbour or premesis and report those premesis. Albeit they report them to the "competent" department within the council, but they still do.

 

You also see police checking the doormens qualification cards, and then checking that the local kebab house closes at 3 instead of 4 as per their licence.

 

But again, we go off track once more

[analyst 0]

Passing it on, is actually doing no more than the tramp squatting in a cardboard box in the next doorway could do.

 

The point is, the police have no powers to act in these situations.

OK, some might, as a matter of courtesy, pass it on to the LA, but many won't bother. And who can blame them, its now't to do with them and they must have more important things to do on a weekend night, one would hope.

[DJ JENX 0]

Passing it on, is actually doing no more than the tramp squatting in a cardboard box in the next doorway could do.

 

The point is, the police have no powers to act in these situations.

OK, some might, as a matter of courtesy, pass it on to the LA, but many won't bother. And who can blame them, its now't to do with them and they must have more important things to do on a weekend night, one would hope.

 

Very true that they would probably have more to do, but they still have to deal with it, or at least attend if the call comes through. Well in my force anyway.

 

Now this may come down to bye-laws....for example. A walker leaves his/her dog foul the pavement. The police can actually issue a £50 fine for this, and it is actually the councils Dog warden and environment agency that is "responsible" for enforcing these penalties. Now the dog fouling law was created by a bye-law, and that law lists the police as enforcers.

 

So technically, some areas councils may have allocated a bye-law which allows the police to investigate noise pollution....but thats not the case in my area....but its possible!

 

I guess the problem with noise pollution is that it needs specialist equipment to investigate, whereas dog fouling needs a pair of eyes and a strong nose to deal with

[Kingy 0]

Sorry Jen, this is not a Breach of the peace. The maximum power would be to request the offender to turn it down. If the offender is in his own home he cannot commit a breach of the peace.

 

The maximum would be a technical infringement of a section of the public order act, but in all reality, the police would only forward the complaint to the envioronmental health department of the council. They in turn would need to monitor the situation over a period to decide if an offence had been committed. If it was a one off house party nothing would ever happen as you would need evidence from a Db meter or suchlike to take to court. You cant simply turn up before the magistrates and say "He was playing loud music"....define loud!!!

 

I was very pro police being there myself for 4 years as a special then nearly 7 years as a full timer. Sadly, this "agency" we have now does not represent its original intentions. As a side note, I saw a very misleading advert on one of those big trailers in Walsall a couple of days ago "Crime is down by 18%" it proclaimed. Absolute rubbish. Crime is actually up. However, due to changes made by the Govt on how crime is now recorded (OR NOT RECORDED) it may look on paper as if it is down.

 

I digress........ :hurt:

[wendyice 0]

Who knows, I may be wrong here, I admit it when I am!

 

I know that as a force in Wales, we have to deal with noise nuisance problems and alert environmental health departments, and I know that I have taken someone to court, he did get a fine for playing to loud in a car....

 

But I dont really look into the laws surrounding them as usually we dont have to do much, other than alert the council. So I could be wrong.

 

But im probably right :dan+ju:

if its that force with that strange guy in charge i feel for ya.

 

he is speeding mad but his own daughter travrls the A55 at speed daily, she was followed by journos, and never got a stop.

 

he actively encourages his bobbies to suddenly jump out of hiding.

 

i could go on the mans a weirdo.

 

 

as for the bargument regarding a breach as opposed to a speeder, isnt there two seperate sections to deal with these two different thing.

 

dont traffic cops sort the roads out and otheres sort out the burglaries out?

 

why is one mans trailer worth less than a post office?

 

i truly believe bobbies dont want to investigate a case where they think they have little chance of a conviction as it messes up their targets and clear up rates.

 

all decided by mandarins and people in ivory towers.

 

as individuals most bobbies are o.k. peeps, but as a force they are worse than useless with the priorities all wrong.

 

gatsos produce MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!