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#31 Norfolk DJ

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 10:10 AM

QUOTE(Dukesy @ Sep 18 2010, 01:35 PM) View Post

A bit of a Busman's holiday there then biggrin.gif . Maybe I should have added in the post that the only people who give a damn about brands and types of equipment are either other DJ's or those involved with or have vested interests in similar occupations (band members, roadies, engineers, disco equipment retailers etc).

I still find it strange and very tiring in some ways, in that some Dj's and their like will always question and forward assess each other on the merits of what equipment they use or whether they are a Digital DJ or CD / Vinyl DJ wallbash.gif rather than their actual entertaining skills, and our industry does seem isolated in marking territory and the levy of criticism based on these facts, rather than reputation and more importantly client feedback bigstar.gif

Personally, i'd put more priority into whether the DJ had suitable back up equipment available, rather than what brand of equipment he used for his main rig, because you cannot rely on any brand and people tend not to be able to dance in silence. Having suffered a complete and total failure of a system whose brand name gives immense orgasms to certain musical fraternities and whose reliability (apparently) is beyond question wacko.gif then I was certainly glad that my back up was there with me. Had I not have had it in place, I could have lost business and loyalty from a venue to the cost of almost half of my annual income.


Agreed that back up equipment is critical. if you don't carry it you are asking for trouble at some point. it is difficult to accept someone is professional unless they carry back-up gear.

Sometimes but not always the high-end equipment is better. Personally, I have found that Denon & Pioneer mixers sound better than the basement budget equipment. The same goes for speakers as well. Whether it's worth the extra money and whether it will enhance your roadshow is questionable, because you stiil need to use the gear properly.

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Posted 19 September 2010 - 10:53 AM

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Sometimes but not always the high-end equipment is better. Personally, I have found that Denon & Pioneer mixers sound better than the basement budget equipment. The same goes for speakers as well. Whether it's worth the extra money and whether it will enhance your roadshow is questionable, because you stiil need to use the gear properly.


I didn't used to agree with that .......until I bought a pioneer mixer and media players, they are awesome. the sound quality really is noticeable, they are also great to use and robust. the Pioneer CDJ2000 is probably the most amazing piece of kit a Dj could ever own. I love them and now would never use anything else, just one drawback ....the awful price
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Posted 22 September 2010 - 09:47 PM

Hi All, new to the forum and my first post so be gentle with me biggrin.gif

There's some good replies here and i thought i'd add my 2p worth as i've just got new speakers and i think the bottom line is beg, steal, borrow, hire etc but if at all possible "try out on a gig before you buy"... easier said than done i know as i've just been there!

I looked at either powered or passive (didn't really matter to me) and ended up where i couldn't decide between EV ZX4 or RCF ART-325A (from HTFR as mentioned on here earlier).
At the end of the day they are both good but in different ways and i spent over a week dithering about which ones to go with knowing full well that which ever way i went i would be wondering what the other ones would have been like. wacko.gif

The RCFs are very well built and the bass is tighter than the EVs, but the EVs just "went further" if that makes sense so i opted for the EVs.

First gig and they DIDN'T blow me away, second gig and i'm happier but they are very different to my old Wharfedalepro LX-15s and i've lost quite a lot of bass. So back to my opening line, if possible try out on a gig as it's the only way to REALLY tell i think.



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Posted 23 September 2010 - 12:14 PM

i used to have some wharefale pro lix 15's and i loved them to pieces. Big ply cabinets - good bass and a really warm sound.

But oh so heavy - and needed all the boot space almost on their own :-)

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 04:03 PM

The MX115 are a better cab than the LX15, you should try and listen to a pair, they're not bad at all for Wharfedale really. I say not bad for Whrfedale because they're a budget brand generally.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 06:16 PM

hi guys,
i have been watching this discussion as i will shortly be making the leap into the world of active speakers.
I have looked at the Behringer b815neo & on paper it looks good. DV247 have reviewed it and said for the price it outperforms anything else in its class. Thats not a bad thing.. So im wondering.. has anyone actually used one as yet? If so what do you think? I know some people dont like behringer but at the end of the day a product should be graded on its merits not its family name.. Specs for it below (£365 on thomann site)
BEHRINGER B815NEO, active Fullrangespeaker, 15" 1,75" Neodym-Speaker, 800 Watt RMS (1200 Watt PEAK), Class D-Amplifier, 24-Bit Signalprocessor, 40 - 20.000 Hz, 128 dB SPL max, digital crossover and Phase correction, internal Noise-Gate, Low-Gut Filter, 2-Band EQ, dynamic Contour-FIlter, XLR in/out, 35mm pole mount, angled for wedge application, dimenions: 735 x 430 x 470 mm, weight 23 Kg

My other option is the PSR 15 from W Audio (549.97 from RS 100)
Key Features
• High Impact Molded Polypropylene Enclosure
• 1.75' Voice Coil, 1' Exit Titanium Compression Driver
• 5 Integral Suspension Points
• Complete Mounting Solutions
• Smooth Response With High Power Handling Capacity
• 80 x 60 Coverage Pattern


Also been reccomended the JBL Eon 315 (£500 each)
Model Name - JBL EON 315
System Power Rating - 280 W continuous, 560 W peak
Frequency Range (-10 dB) 38 Hz - 20 kHz (EQ in ‘Flat’ position)
Dimensions (H x W x D) 685 mm x 438 mm x 366 mm(27 in x 17.3 in x 14.4 in)
Frequency Response (±3 dB) 50 Hz - 18 kHz (EQ in ‘Flat’ position)
Coverage Pattern 100° H x 60° V nominal
Maximum SPL 127 dB
Net Weight 15.9 kg (35 lb)

A friend who works in Sound and lighting hire has recommended RCF & if i went for them i would go for the 515a (£999 pair htfr)
# 400 watts rms per speaker
# 129db maximum spl
# 45 - 20,000hz frequency response
# 2 way
# 15" neodymium woofer with 2.5" voice coil
# 2" mylar dome driver with optimised geometry radial phase plug
# Light-weight high efficiency taed amplifier system
# Electronic processor system including:
# Active crossover
# System equalisation
# Transducers phase alignment
# Limiter
# Dc & short circuit protection functions
# Convection cooling system

So.. What would you go for? I would really like a solution which will produce a clean sound, with good bass so i can more gigs without bass bins..
Have phoned around and been reccomended the JBL model listed above, also been recomended FBT maxx, and of course my mate whom rates RCF above all other makes despite their power rating being modest.

So please give me your thoughts, what would you buy, and why?



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Posted 26 September 2010 - 06:49 PM

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Isn't that a bit like a Car Dealer telling you that a certain make or model is the best in the world?. Doesn't DV247 sell the stuff it reviews?. No dis-respect to DV247, but my Ethos would mean that I wouldn't take review advice from ANY person or company representive whose aim was to sell me the stuff or who had some kind of commercial interest. By definition, how would it ever be considered impartial or unbiased?.

If I was selling my car on Ebay, I wouldn't advertise it as being unreliable and a complete lemon would I?. I'd concentrate on reviewing the good points in order to sell it.

I don't normally take advice from just one person as Sound is personal and there are so many variables, but I do professionally respect the opinions of 'Superstardeejay' who is a member of the forum who has many years' experience in repairing and maintaining Audio and Lighting equipment, not just for us DJ's but also the more expensive stuff used in pubs and clubs. He isn't (to my knowledge) a retailer as such, and so therefore has no commercial bias as to what is good or bad nor any interest in saving manufacturers' blushes.

When somebody who makes a living from repairing equipment at component level tells me, that in his experience, something is unreliable or cheaply made or both wacko.gif , then I tend to take it onboard and treat it with more weight than the retailer selling it!. After all, he see's the stuff coming in through the door all of the time, and has to repair them and can judge the reliability by the sheer numbers of product he see's which have failed as well as seeing the build quality and how well they are made and designed internally, so who better to give an unbiased, impartial opinion of what is and isn't reliable than somebody who has to repair them?.

And when he gave Behringer a thumbs down, they got immediately struck off my list biggrin.gif

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 08:08 PM

QUOTE(Dukesy @ Sep 26 2010, 07:49 PM) View Post

Isn't that a bit like a Car Dealer telling you that a certain make or model is the best in the world?. Doesn't DV247 sell the stuff it reviews?. No dis-respect to DV247, but my Ethos would mean that I wouldn't take review advice from ANY person or company representive whose aim was to sell me the stuff or who had some kind of commercial interest. By definition, how would it ever be considered impartial or unbiased?.

If I was selling my car on Ebay, I wouldn't advertise it as being unreliable and a complete lemon would I?. I'd concentrate on reviewing the good points in order to sell it.

I don't normally take advice from just one person as Sound is personal and there are so many variables, but I do professionally respect the opinions of 'Superstardeejay' who is a member of the forum who has many years' experience in repairing and maintaining Audio and Lighting equipment, not just for us DJ's but also the more expensive stuff used in pubs and clubs. He isn't (to my knowledge) a retailer as such, and so therefore has no commercial bias as to what is good or bad nor any interest in saving manufacturers' blushes.

When somebody who makes a living from repairing equipment at component level tells me, that in his experience, something is unreliable or cheaply made or both wacko.gif , then I tend to take it onboard and treat it with more weight than the retailer selling it!. After all, he see's the stuff coming in through the door all of the time, and has to repair them and can judge the reliability by the sheer numbers of product he see's which have failed as well as seeing the build quality and how well they are made and designed internally, so who better to give an unbiased, impartial opinion of what is and isn't reliable than somebody who has to repair them?.

And when he gave Behringer a thumbs down, they got immediately struck off my list biggrin.gif


So are you close to deciding on what to buy? 533.gif

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 08:11 PM

@ danallthemusicdisco I would probably rule out the Behringers for the reason Dan stated, when somebody who repairs audio equipment tells you something isn't good you should listen.

I would also rule out the warriors purely for the weight issue, they are 30kg, so unless you have help they'd be tough to get up on the stands.

That leaves the JBL's and the RCF's. and I think most people would go for the RCF's. I have the older model eons and they ere good, very reliable and have never given me a days trouble but they can be harsh if you push them, maybe the newer models are better I don't know. Have a listen to both and make up your mind then. But if HTFR have stock of the 325's for 999 it's a no brainer for me, thats a big discount from their original list price and they should hold their value really well if you look after them.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 08:19 PM

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@ danallthemusicdisco I would probably rule out the Behringers for the reason Dan stated, when somebody who repairs audio equipment tells you something isn't good you should listen.

I would also rule out the warriors purely for the weight issue, they are 30kg, so unless you have help they'd be tough to get up on the stands.

That leaves the JBL's and the RCF's. and I think most people would go for the RCF's. I have the older model eons and they ere good, very reliable and have never given me a days trouble but they can be harsh if you push them, maybe the newer models are better I don't know. Have a listen to both and make up your mind then. But if HTFR have stock of the 325's for 999 it's a no brainer for me, thats a big discount from their original list price and they should hold their value really well if you look after them.

Thanks man, i would love to hear them all but here in cornwall there is no where locally that stock any of them
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Posted 26 September 2010 - 08:36 PM

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Sort of huh.gif

I've been hanging on the sidelines looking online and phoning around for a pair of second hand Active FBT MAXX in the interim, Sadly i've not seen any even remotely close to the £900 mentioned earlier, so somebody certainly got a bargain with that one.

So turning my attention back to buying new - Probably the K12's from QSC

When my Bose L1 crapped out, I went back over to my trusty old QSC Amp with EV passives, which never missed a beat for several years prior to the L1's, and now its not letting me down when I needed it again.

Whilst a pair of K12's will be around £230 over my original £1000 budget, i've always had a good experience with QSC Amps and will probably remain faithful to the brand when moving over to their actives.

Just got to demo them first.

But Behringer are well out of the equation wacko.gif

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Thanks man, i would love to hear them all but here in cornwall there is no where locally that stock any of them


Under distance selling regulations you have 7 days in which to examine goods bought online. Buy a set to arrive a day before a gig, test them at the gig and if you truely don't like them and feel they don't live up to their reputation, send them back for a refund under the DSR.

Yes, you'll have to return them in immaculate condition and in their original packaging, and yes you will still be liable for carriage charges. Search online and you'll probably find a carrier such as Interparcel, who will collect and return them door to door for around £30 - £35, which at the end of the day is probably cheaper than hiring them.


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Posted 27 September 2010 - 06:05 AM

QUOTE(Dukesy @ Sep 26 2010, 09:36 PM) View Post

Sort of huh.gif

I've been hanging on the sidelines looking online and phoning around for a pair of second hand Active FBT MAXX in the interim, Sadly i've not seen any even remotely close to the £900 mentioned earlier, so somebody certainly got a bargain with that one.

So turning my attention back to buying new - Probably the K12's from QSC

When my Bose L1 crapped out, I went back over to my trusty old QSC Amp with EV passives, which never missed a beat for several years prior to the L1's, and now its not letting me down when I needed it again.

Whilst a pair of K12's will be around £230 over my original £1000 budget, i've always had a good experience with QSC Amps and will probably remain faithful to the brand when moving over to their actives.

Just got to demo them first.

But Behringer are well out of the equation wacko.gif
Under distance selling regulations you have 7 days in which to examine goods bought online. Buy a set to arrive a day before a gig, test them at the gig and if you truely don't like them and feel they don't live up to their reputation, send them back for a refund under the DSR.

Yes, you'll have to return them in immaculate condition and in their original packaging, and yes you will still be liable for carriage charges. Search online and you'll probably find a carrier such as Interparcel, who will collect and return them door to door for around £30 - £35, which at the end of the day is probably cheaper than hiring them.



FBT have two different active 12 inch speakers being the Maxx4a and the himaxx40a

Best possible prices quoted were £1300 for the 4a and £1600 for the mimaxx including speaker covers.

The QSC is also a great speaker but whilst the top end was very good was not as good in the bottom end compared to the Himaxx. The only thing I didn't like about the QSC K12 was it had only 1 handle.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 10:28 AM

well i feel like a naughty school boy now!
Dukesy, the qsc k12s are a nice pair & i cant believe they are 1000w rms each lol..(Will the bass be any louder than other 12" cabs or will it be more on the midrange side of things? The Deep feature looks interesting! Although i must say the price puts me off just a bit.. - I may get them and send em back but am a bit hesitant about doing it at the moment.

Hot off the press though, i have just been offered a pair of RCF 322A's with covers for £850. What do you guys think? Well looked after but obviously out of warranty as they are second hand but in very good condition (hardly gigged)
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Posted 27 September 2010 - 10:40 AM

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Hot off the press though, i have just been offered a pair of RCF 322A's with covers for £850. What do you guys think? Well looked after but obviously out of warranty as they are second hand but in very good condition (hardly gigged)


Buy them. They will sound great.

They will be as heavy as the mark1 Mackies at 22/23kg but way superior. You would end up paying £600 easy for a pair of SRM 450's which are very good, but these are better.

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Posted 27 September 2010 - 04:46 PM

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Best possible prices quoted were £1300 for the 4a and £1600 for the mimaxx including speaker covers.


Thanks. I guess the issue is the £ per watt difference between the two that makes me undecided.

The FBT MAXX 4a's for £1300 rated at 300W LF + 100w HF

or

QSC K12's for a similar price, but offering 500W LF + 500W HF

I know the reputation of the FBT MAXX, but £1300 is a hell of a lot to pay for what is just a 400W speaker.

Then again, upon checking it does appear that Thomann have just increased their price of the QSC K12's from £625 to £725 each - Bugger!, maybe I should have bought them when I first saw them.

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i have just been offered a pair of RCF 322A's with covers for £850. What do you guys think? Well looked after but obviously out of warranty as they are second hand but in very good condition (hardly gigged)


Snap their hand off, LOL. But make sure you go and listen / check them over first, and insist you hear them, checking the obvious things like the HF and LF drivers work, also check the controls for any crackles and the amount of hum when the are not being fed with an audio signal.

The fact they are out of warranty, and a second hand sale, means that there is no come back on the seller once money changes hands, and no insurance if they don't work properly, so all the more reason to see and hear them first.

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