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I'll hold my hands up about this topic being inspired by another members (Tonsks?) post about his weekend gig... but heres a better place to discuss that end~of~the~night~nightmare...those begs, pleas, and sometimes threats which are used in an attempt to get you to play for longer than you're supposed to.

 

To get the best, and most apt advice on this quite frequently occuring problem, I'll describe two different scenarios...

 

Feel free to answer about either, or both situations.

 

Common to both scenarios is that the party has been swinging, with the dancefloor packed even including the 4 slowies you've just finished playing...

 

1) A hotel, pub, or hall with a very "time-sensitive" duty manager/landlord, or caretaker, who will expect your music to be fading away gently 5 seconds before the gigs End Time.

 

And/or...

 

 

2) The unmanaged gig. Its a village hall, in the middle of nowhere. The person hiring the hall for their party, simply has to switch off, lock-up and post the hall keys thru the owner/caretakers letterbox anytime before 9am the next day.

 

 

You've just announced your "Goodnights" and "Safe Journeys" etc, and over the applause, you are begged to play on...

 

 

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In answer to Number 1

I would politely inform them of the management’s instructions, and let them know its out of my control. BUT if you get the manager / landlord to come over & see me & let me know its OK to continue then I will.

 

In answer to Number 2

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Hi

 

Scenareo 1 - I'd say sure I'd love to play on, go see the duty manager and get him to come ok it with me.

 

Scenareo 2 - Ok sure (reaching for my booking agreement) that'll be £30 for the next 30 minutes, in cash and up front http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

 

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Scenario 1 - I always finish 5 mins early then if they ask for more I can fit it in & still keep the DM happy - if they don't well I just assume that they're content with the evening & finish 5 mins early.

 

Scenario 2 - If they were a good crowd I'd give them a couple extra but I think the trick is to leave them wanting more rather than drag it out until everyone has had enough.

 

There are a couple of venues I do where their attitude is - if the nights going well you can carry on and we'll keep the bar open - so if it is, I do.

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Good Question.

 

Scenario 1) I would finish on time as expected.

 

Scenario 2) Cross my palm....and I'll play till 8.30am. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/scared.gif

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1 - Always finish early anyway, by about 3 minutes, then IF needed I can play 'just one more'

 

2 - Last week played until 6am, I have two gigs coming up (13th and 14th August), officially I finish at 2am, but can go on until whenever the money runs out.

 

Newbie tip.GET THE CASH BEFORE YOU DO THE EXTRA TIME.

.....but what do I know ?

 

 

 

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1) Always finish on time - normally time the last track to with in 15 seconds, and always tell the duty manager that before starting. I don't want to short change the customer by finishing early, but I like to keep the manager happy by no over running.

 

However I hate it when the management turn the lights on a few mins early (with out warning) as they do at one venue down here.

 

2) I clearly state on my booking form that additional time will be charged at £XX per half hour upon agreement between the customer, myself and the duty manager.

 

So when asked to carry on, I point this out to the customer. If they are unwilling to pay, then I have been known to do as much as 15 mins extra, if they ask nicely and the party is going well.

 

(Agree with ADS - cash in advance for extra time.)

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As the client pays me til a certain time, when that time is up - its up! I might have to go and work at that venue again, so I aint gonna p off the dutry manager.. however, if the dm comes over and oks it for me to play on, and the punter want to pay me extra, then no problem!

I only play on if im paid to (unless it is a really, really, really nice crowd and I might go on an extra 15 mins foc... anything after that though, even the nicest of crowds will have to cough up!

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1. I normally finsh a bit early anyway you learn to expect shouts for 'one more'

2. If there payin then im playin !!!!! Ok I admit it im a DJ Whore http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

 

If I do finish late and they want one more then I will point them in the way of the management.

 

 

 

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Haven't we all got a 'pub watch', 5 minutes fast ?

.....but what do I know ?

 

 

 

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I always try and finish on a big one as well, this some times calms the "One More Cheers" or it can have the opposite effect. The big problem is if they got up and had a bop a little bit earlier then they would be happy to finish at the relevant time!

 

One of my favourite one more tunes is Free-All Right Now. You finish your slowies give it goodnight godbless take care on the way home then drop in that guitar rift. On a good night this will work a treat. Then you have a nice gutiar solo bit three quaters of the way through the tune. I use this to re inforce they ain't getting any more and a final goodnight.

 

One good line you can use at the end of a night in a fun pub/open door senario is the good old:

 

"We have had your cash so lets see your ass"

 

Much more fun than do your walkin while your talkin. Doesn't seem to work so well in weddings though http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/tongue.gif

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For me, It's over at the appointed time, come what may. If you have played your slowies, it seems wrong to liven it all up again.

 

Definitive slowies like The Last Waltz or Perfect Day are usually a good way to let them know they've had their lot.

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Ok then, as this was another one of my "DJ Dilema" situations, I guess that I'd better cover what I'd do. (and when certain situations have made things better, or worse)

 

1) The Hotel/managed venue.

 

I'll finish at the agreed time, to within a minute(ish http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/huh.gif ). 30 seconds before the end of the last track (I've set my CD-decks to flash wildly at 30secs remaining), I flick my lighting controller to fade up all the overhead lights (60w X 32 bulbs) to full brightness over 30secs.

 

If someone starts yelling for more from a distance, I'll be away from the mixer wrapping up a lead...any lead, even some lead that I did'nt actually use that night - not that anyone looking toward the dico will see me do that...with 1900 watts of lighting pointing back at them. The remote calls of "more" will have been silenced too. As management swoop in to switch the main room lights on, I fade mine off again. The atmosphere is interupted and thats usually enough.

 

For the die-hard party go-ers that persist and actually come up to speak to me face-to-face then, like many others above, I tell them that I, personally am more than happy to play one more track (at half volume, because of "the neighbours") as long as the person gets the venues manager to come up and tell me face-to-face, that its ok. The face-to-face bit is important, and several members above have specified it too. Why? Deception, thats why.

 

Yes, its common for the party-goer to nip outside into the corridoor, wait around 2 minutes, then nip back in, SAY that he's spoken to the manager and that its OK for one more record, when actually....(you guessed it)...he hasnt asked anyone, or worse still, he did ask the manager, but got refused - but will still come back to you and tell you porkies...

 

Even more deviously is the punter who sent his suited mate back into the function room....acting as a hotel manager, instructing me to carry on. Nice Try http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif Bad move! I knew all the managers and duty managers at the venue very well and this guy....wasnt any of 'em...

 

For Marquees, and other external/remote venues...Explaining to Mr "just-one-more" that the power circuit that you plug into has been switched off within the main building at 12:01 is a classic diversion (as long as all your gear looks OFF)

 

 

 

 

 

As for situation 2: The unmanaged venue.

 

The last time that this happened to me, was at a childrens charity gig at a lovely new village hall - the gig was due to finish at 1am. No neighbours to worry about and I'd been told by the organiser that if I wanted to run-on, I could. She'd already given me the keys to the hall so I could lock up after I'd finished loading. So, over half the punters stayed dancing 'til 3:30am.

 

If it hadnt have been charity, I'd have got payment during the first hour - if not? no 2nd hour.

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QUOTE (kazzachi @ Jul 19 2004, 09:24 PM)
As the client pays me til a certain time, when that time is up - its up!  I might have to go and work at that venue again, so I aint gonna p off the dutry manager.. however, if the dm comes over and oks it for me to play on, and the punter want to pay me extra, then no problem!
I only play on if im paid to (unless it is a really, really, really nice crowd and I might go on an extra 15 mins foc... anything after that though, even the nicest of crowds will have to cough up!

I'm with Kaz on this one http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/smile.gif

 

If the duty manager/caretaker ok's it with me to play longer then I will, if it is convenient for me to do so and only once I have been payed for the over time in cash. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif

 

A quote from Darrens? (I think) terms:

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The customer may request that the DJ plays longer than the contracted performance times. The Company will provide an extended performance at the specified overtime rate, provided any overtime is paid in full at the time of the request and no other obligations are pending. The availability of the Company for overtime cannot be guaranteed.

 

Covers my my opinions completely http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/thumbup.gif

 

 

Joe

 

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1) Go on if all OK with Manager

 

2) Continue for £30 per extra hour as stated on T's anc C's!

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QUOTE (discodirect @ Jul 19 2004, 06:50 PM)
Good Question.

Scenario 1) I would finish on time as expected.

Scenario 2) Cross my palm....and I'll play till 8.30am. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/scared.gif
http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/071.gif

Same here

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