cookiecat 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 (edited) Have just been having a look at the Denon site.I downloaded an mpeg for the 9000 to show an example of how to splice. I am in no way prudish but for a 10 second clip why did they have to use these lyrics? "what's her mother f http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/censored2.gif n' name". Kind of puts me of. I can't see how this would show their products in a good light. Maybe if I complain I will get one for nothing. Edited September 8, 2004 by cookiecat Something witty goes here.. Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 I understand exactly what you mean. I dont like seeing, hearing, or playing such words. I even feel that French Connection UK's initials are as cheap a sales gimmick as Eamons single release earlier this year. However, as a demonstration video for the Splice feature goes, its very accurate "real life" usage of the rather unique splice feature. I use it on several tracks for removal of swear words, and in many other tracks for general shortening of tracks eg: I can make the 4 minute xx second version of a song fit into the 3 or 2 minutes that I have left at a show at 12:57 (or 12:58). Up to 2 Seamless splice points can be set on any track, and best of all, they can be stored in the units MEMO memory, so that next time you load that CD and select that track, you're automatically asked if you'd like to recall the splice points, seamless loops etc. The 9000 (&5000) also have another way of disguising shorter swearing instances, without disrupting the flow/beat of the song. This is the "Dump" feature. My DN-D9000 review on DJs United has "swear free" explanations of both. If you're heading up to PLASA this weekend, come and see me for a demo of these features. Link to post Share on other sites
cookiecat 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Unfortunately(sp) can not make it tp PLASA,hopefully next year,fingers crossed. I realise that is what the feature is for but they could hsve used any word or phrase. Cheers. Something witty goes here.. Link to post Share on other sites
paula 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 (edited) QUOTE I dont like seeing, hearing, or playing such words. I even feel that French Connection UK's initials are as cheap a sales gimmick as Eamons single release earlier this year. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/188.gif Garrryyy....Would you say that if I turned up on Sunday with my FCUK tshirt on with guarenteed stamped across it....and I've got my FC&K all I need is U underneath the above!.... http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/221.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/363.gif Sorry Cookiecat, Agreed sounds bad http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/mad.gif Edited September 8, 2004 by paula Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisPointon 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Sounds more like something that Marketing Directors in America would do to appear 'Kewl' to the average teenager. Again I suppose that this is one reason why the French Connection label has become so succesful? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/533.gif . However, as a distributor, I certainly wouldn't be linking to something like that from my Website and its pretty sad when ANY manufacturer has to resort to 'effing' their way through a sales pitch. Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 When Ive Demo'd the Splice feature previously, Ive always choosen a different (and less contraversial) word, phrase or section to remove, such as verse 3 from an otherwise good track, or the instrumental breakdown from 3/4s o of the way through many "extended" remixes, or the looong gap between "Break" &"For Love" on Raze's "break for love" track. Because I usually demo 1 to 1, its easy for me to explain what Ive chosen to remove, and why... On the example webclips, which I agree, could have included (and then excluded) less severe words, there were no such opportunities for explanations. Removing a strong word, no doubt, needed no explanation. I will, however mention your point of view to the person who helps choose the website content and clips. Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 QUOTE (paula @ Sep 8 2004, 03:53 PM) QUOTE I dont like seeing, hearing, or playing such words. I even feel that French Connection UK's initials are as cheap a sales gimmick as Eamons single release earlier this year. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/188.gif Garrryyy....Would you say that if I turned up on Sunday with my FCUK tshirt on with guarenteed stamped across it....and I've got my FC&K all I need is U underneath the above!.... http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/221.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/laugh.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/363.gif . Paula, its not something that Id say, to you, or any wearer of that brand of clothing. Besides Paula, you wear it best, when you wear nothing at all.http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/laugh.gif (tacky~sounding brand names, that is) Link to post Share on other sites
cookiecat 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 QUOTE you wear it best, when you wear nothing at all Was that not a Ronan Keating lyric? QUOTE However, as a distributor, I certainly wouldn't be linking to something like that from my Website Sorry Chris but it was from your web site I arrived there.Can't remember if I got straight to the 9000 or the Home page though. Something witty goes here.. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisPointon 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 My website is currently down for maintainance, has been for several days now!, I doubt you'll see anything much there. Try it:- www.dj-supplies.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
cookiecat 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Got your site of google. http://discoequipment.tripod.com/ Something witty goes here.. Link to post Share on other sites
cookiecat 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 Chris.also it is hardly your fault what content appears on other sites.I wasn't having a dig at your link but the fact that a major company direct sales in this manner. Something witty goes here.. Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisPointon 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 (edited) Geez, I didn't know that one was still up http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/scared.gif . I stopped using Tripod when I started the forum, over 18 months ago, cancelled the payment and thought it would be deleted. Arrrr, I see what they've done, they've cancelled the subscription service and just covered it in banners and pop up's! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/wacko.gif . Thought it was strange, I haven't linked to manufacturers for quite some time. Please don't use this site since it's almost 2 years since it was updated, and its no longer valid, just a ghost from the past. I'll have to do something about that and get it deleted. Bloody Google http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/smile.gif . Here is a sneak preview (up for 30 mins) of the new site layout, although its nowhere near finished. (oops too late and missed it http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/smile.gif ) Edited September 8, 2004 by Chris_Pointon Link to post Share on other sites
cookiecat 0 Posted September 8, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2004 WOW,Excelent site. Something witty goes here.. Link to post Share on other sites
transeurope 0 Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hmm, everyone is entitled to their opinons, however I can't help feeling there are bigger fish to fry both in the DJ and the real world than this. Sure, you can create an artificial Disneyland world where everyone picks up the litter on Main Street and pledges the flag, but we know life isn't like that don't we? Don't we? I think anybody who says "kewl" or "cool" is an advertising victim, and I am certainly not a teenager alas. Watching the demo video on the website, which I did long before the discussion on this topic made me feel that Denon live in the real world. I am sorry that some people were offended by it, but I for one hope that Denon continue to live in the real world, not the one where Ronald McDonald and Minnie Mouse march down Main Street. Just balancing the discussion...everyone has their opinions... Link to post Share on other sites
kazzachi 0 Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 But then again, Denon would not be allowed to use it in other media options... ie., tv ads........ because in the real world, they have organisations such as the advertising standards authority who perhaps might agree that it would offend more people than it would not. WE LOVE KAREN, AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE HER BACK !!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Link to post Share on other sites
transeurope 0 Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Kaz, that's a fair point with regards to BROADCASTING. The origin of the word comes from spreading seeds randomly in a field, not paying attention to where they hit. Broadcast media have always been publicly regulated because it is unknown who will use it. On the other hand, NARROWCAST media, which include nonFMCG publications and the internet have in free countries never been regulated except for sedition and obscenity. Obscenity in the proper sense of the word means degrading humanity. It includes base acts of the human body, which are taken to degrade all people. The word in question certainly doesn't fall into that category. There are plenty of publications websites and even subscription TV channels that use language like this. Link to post Share on other sites
C.S 0 Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I am so glad that denon live in the real world. I will try anything,once! The Cornish will arise again ! Manager of the Andy Harris Fan Club. Keep pasties Cornish Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisPointon 0 Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 I have to Agree with the Majority here, there is enough of this sort of thing on the TV and the Internet without a 'responsible' company lowering its standards. If I had kids and they were interested in DJ Equipment, I wouldn't have thought twice about them looking at the Denon site, or most other manufacturers sites for that matter. However even if I was with my (fictional) child, as he or she surfed the internet (as every responsible parent should be) I wouldn't have been prepared for that or expected it. Just because kids come into contact with this sort of thing everyday through Television and at School (and you would be daft to believe otherwise) doesn't mean that we should be supporting it or allowing them to get away with it. What can we expect next.... "Buy heinz baked beans - they are F*cking Great" "Morning Fresh Spinach - 'cos its kewl to Fart in class" Or at Xmas... "Buy the new Fisher Price Activity centre, and keep the little bastards from under your F*cking feet" An interesting thought, and it would certainly make watching adverts interesting but I can't see it catching on http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/smile.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 It would have been worse if the offending (but all too common these days) lyric had be repeatedly repeated using one of the DN-D9000s samplers. But no...the lyric was REMOVED using the Splice function. If anyone can think of a piece of music, with clean lyrics, which can be used to demonstrait the Seamless Splice feature, without requiring a text explanation, I'll forward the suggestion on. Somehow though... "Why to you // me up, Buttercup? just to // me down" Link to post Share on other sites
C.S 0 Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 Would have thought clean lyrics and a text explanation would have been just what would be needed to demonstrate and at the same time keep a bit of credibility. I am not saying this because its denon Gary,my opinion would be the same if it was pioneer.Such a large company and so many songs out there that could have been used, and i am quite sure with your talents and knowledge it wouldnt take you long to find a funny,creative and clean alternative. The function is brilliant but the advert is obviously aimed at a younger customer group. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/smile.gif I will try anything,once! The Cornish will arise again ! Manager of the Andy Harris Fan Club. Keep pasties Cornish Link to post Share on other sites
kazzachi 0 Posted September 10, 2004 Report Share Posted September 10, 2004 LOL @ Crispy!! WE LOVE KAREN, AND IT'S GREAT TO HAVE HER BACK !!!! xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Link to post Share on other sites
Hugmaster 0 Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Hi Transe, god I can't believe you just said that, lol. So just because it's part of the real world, we have to accept it. right I'm going to becoming a murderer, as it's seemingly becoming the norm. Yes it's extreme, but if we're prepared to accept certain levels of behaviour that lowers our standards, they'll just keep slipping. I'm wondering if Denon are breaking the isp's terms and conditions of use by displaying material that might cause offense? If they insist on using this clip, they could've at elast displayed some sort of text warning. Darren Take a listen to Music Matters, the Big Mix Entertainment podcast, featuring music from the Podsafe Music Network. Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 Update: I have obtained the name of the person who is directly able to adjust content on the US Denon site, where this clip containing the 2 words is found. I will be contacting that person in the next few days. This is being progressed, and I will let you know the results/outcome. Link to post Share on other sites
transeurope 0 Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 QUOTE (Hugmaster @ Sep 11 2004, 07:05 AM) Yes it's extreme, but if we're prepared to accept certain levels of behaviour that lowers our standards, they'll just keep slipping. Hugmaster.... Isn't that the cause of so much problems in this world? Someone takes a point that is someway significant, then extrapolates from it and starts painting scary pictures? We learned that lesson hard in my country...no more scary pictures....let's have a bit of tolerance... If Denon are going to expose the very occasional child to a rude word, in a context that shows how to censor it, and the child is going to hear that word many times in their life anyway....let's not start talking about murders, let's not start pointing fingers at some bloke who is working 9-5 to try to earn a living....let's just live and let live? It's not even like Denon are condoning rude language in the clip. I am a bit dismayed that this thread is turning into a campaign against a particular man/woman now. If this webmaster turns out to be a lone parent supporting two kids with some part time webwork, will you all be happy? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/533.gif PS: As I was looking for a smilie to add to this message I just noticed the one of a blobby man mooning on the right of my screen. I am being quite serious when I say that in my subculture (which is not even British) that is extremely offensive. But I have lived in and love Britain and I know its part and parcel of the Robbie Williams culture, I take the rough with the smooth. Can't we just live and let live? Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisPointon 0 Posted September 11, 2004 Report Share Posted September 11, 2004 If it's hosted and owned in the U.S then their advertising standards are different to those in the UK. Thats one of the problems of the internet - in that what may be legal and acceptable in one country is not considered acceptable in another jurisdiction, yet can often still be viewed from there. Some governments still censor what their residents can and can't view, at ISP Firewall level For this reason, there has to be some element of responsibility by the company who owns the website, and the responsibility of the web surfer to ensure that the content is legal / acceptable to be viewed in their own country or state. Some sites have adopted to use a system similar to DVD and Movie classification such as PG, 15, 18 etc although this is totally voluntary. If Denon elect to continue to use the clip, then there should be a clear warning given before it is accessed. At least this way you have a Choice. For your information, this forum has independantly been given a 13+ rating http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/smile.gif, and up until this thread I wouldn't have hesitated to allow links to the Denon site, because I would consider it be be of a smiliar non adult content, essentially informative viewing for all ages. Just take for example other high profile company, how would you feel if Ford or VW or any other notable company started running a flash plugin or advert containing the same language?, or started showing horrific footage of dead bodies in car accidents in an attempt to prove that their safety features were better than the next manufacturer. It wouldn't be tolerated or acceptable for them to do this and quite rightly so. Neither would you want your kids to view such material. On the grand scale of things I doubt that any young person would be corrupted by it, indeed is it more or less horrific than them seeing some of the Scenes from the attack on the Russian School on the Early Evening News the other night???. But I agree that there are principles at stake here and it doesn't make it right. I think that it is commendable that Gary is taking the time and trouble to try and get somebody to change this, based on a handful of posts on a forum. Link to post Share on other sites
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