YourBigEvent 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 I have a few laptops http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/rolleyes.gif and this morning I am buying another hard drive as I need to copy 29.3GB of music. Four questions... 1. I presume a 30GB hard drive won't be big enough, and will have to buy a 40GB plus 2. I have a P3 500Mhz, a P3 800Mhz, a P4 2200Mhz and a P4 2800Mhz, I presume (again) that the faster the machine the quicker it will be. 3. Which is the easiest way to transfer data, cut and paste, or is there another way 4. How long do you reckon it will take to transfer 30GB on the above machines .....but what do I know ? Your Big Event Office:01803 813540 Direct: 0797 0717 448 e.mail:info@yourbigevent.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 plug the new hard drive into the pc as a slave and copy the music across...... fastest pc will be the one with the most ram <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
MadGutts 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 QUOTE fastest pc will be the one with the most ram WRONG http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/nono.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/fear.gif Firstly RAM does help the speed... but has nearly sod all to do with copying data. Secondly: What type of drives are we talking about? A drive with a cache will be faster than one without. i.e. my 250Gb 8m Cache drive can copy 96Gb of music in 40 seconds on a AMD2000 with 256mb memory. But a drive without cache can take and hour on the same pc!!!!! As for your HDD size requirement... If you have 29.x GB of data and you want speed, reliability and space for more music! then get an 80Gb minimum. A quick example: A 40Gb drive with 500Mb free will be slower than an 80Gb with 40.5Gb free because of the way drives work.... Imagine walking into a large library with every book ever written on the shelfs.... then imagine the same building, but with 10 books on the shelf.... Which one could you find the book you want in? (providing the book is in both librarys! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif ) So my recomendation would be for your situation a new 80Gb drive. in the fastest pc (because the IDE/SATA controler will also be slightly faster) and ensure the drive has a cache. This will give you space for future music, and also speed. HOT TIP: If you have loads of music on you hard drive (obviosly back it up!) run a defrag on the drive! it is amazing what a difference in speed of data read this makes !!! My 250Gb drive only has 96Gb of music on it, but the work the drive was doing in OtsDJ was generating a lot of heat (and i use maxtor server drives which run cool!) but by defragging it the drive temp is now much cooler and quieter!! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Edit: Forgot to answer Q3: http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif Cut and paste wont copy the data, it will move it ! copy and paste will work, drag and drop will work... it doesn't really matter, its personnal preference ! The only UK number 1 record to contain in its lyrics the title of the song which knocked it off number 1 was... Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen (lyric: "Mamma Mia")! The Forums Computer Nutter and expert! Discos, Lighting and Sound Reinforcement in and around Oxfordshire, Wiltshire, Gloustershire and Buckinghamshire etc... Special FX Entertainment Services Link to post Share on other sites
YourBigEvent 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Thanks guys, I have now brought (another) laptop http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif it has a 60GB internal harddrive, so will copy my 30GB of music over tomorrow morning, ready to tomorrow nights gig. BTW last time I copied it it took about 18 hours to copy and paste http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/fear.gif It was on a P3 800Mhz though, so hopefully my new P4 2800Mhz should be about 4 times quicker. .....but what do I know ? Your Big Event Office:01803 813540 Direct: 0797 0717 448 e.mail:info@yourbigevent.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 QUOTE Firstly RAM does help the speed... but has nearly sod all to do with copying data. Sorry mad but your wrong here..... RAM have everything to do with copying data so in affect as all his old pcs were not that slow , the one with the most free system RAM would copy his data more quickly than the ones with less..... <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
Skillz 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 I'm with mad on this but explain how it has everything to do with copying data? Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 ok on simple terms each file is copyed from first disc into RAM and the writen to second disc , its called a Cache....... if you dont have enough ram then the system uses the hard disc to cache other system programs and resources, and we all know windows is not the best at keeping its self with in the limited RAM on your system... if you are dealing with large file sizes (.mp3 files) then its only logical that with the limmited performance of the hard disc's that the system with the most RAM will have the edge .... DMA DMA stands for Direct Memory Access and is the term used when a peripheral device transfers data directly to or from memory, without the use of the CPU. Today DMA is the only feasible way to transfer data from the hard drive to memory as most of todays operating systems use multitasking and can better use the CPU for other tasks. The first DMA modes were not adopted by the popular OS's of the time, but when Ultra DMA mode entered the scene it quickly became commonplace. The main difference between Ultra DMA and the older singleword and multiword transfers was that Ultra DMA mode clocks the data twice per clock cycle thereby doubling the bandwidth. The most favored today is Ultra DMA mode 2, aka UltraDMA/33 and faster UDMA 100/133 <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
Skillz 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 this is what mad was talking about but the fact that if the HDD has a cache then it makes copying files a much faster process rather then copying them into memory first Link to post Share on other sites
Peteee 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 fancy not knowing that Ads http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/stupid.gif Peteee N U F C Yea.... Link to post Share on other sites
YourBigEvent 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Thanks for the advice guy ??!! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/wacko.gif Have now brought another laptop with an internal 60GB hard drive and 256RAM so hopefully it will copy over in less than 4 hours, otherwise I have no backup at all for the 8500 songs http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/sad.gif .....but what do I know ? Your Big Event Office:01803 813540 Direct: 0797 0717 448 e.mail:info@yourbigevent.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
norty303 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Actually you're all overlooking one thing here which will be far more relevant to the copy speed... They're laptops, which means that the transfer is very probably going to be done over a network connection. Even with a high speed link (or Firewire/USB2) the disk access speed will far out strip the capabilities of the link so its not really relevant. And lets not compare system RAM with disk cache, its an apples and oranges thing - also the larger cache processors and disks don't 'always' give better performance. QUOTE The most favored today is Ultra DMA mode 2, aka UltraDMA/33 and faster UDMA 100/133 Thats clearly an old cut/paste as its only optical drives really that keep to those speeds now - any mobo and disk combination worth its salt in the last 2 or 3 years has hit UDMA-5 DIY plans and pro audio related technical discussions www.speakerplans.com/forum Link to post Share on other sites
YourBigEvent 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 Here is the computer, it has 256MB RAM, and 256mb Cache. Hit me baby, one more time ! .....but what do I know ? Your Big Event Office:01803 813540 Direct: 0797 0717 448 e.mail:info@yourbigevent.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
Digital discos 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 PC WORLD AHHH. Marky Marc is spot on. Memory will improve the speed of a pc.. Why did you buy a new laptop are you mad? You could have just got an external hd for one of the many pc's you have and put the tunes on there? Sorry don't mean to sound patronising but an external hd would have been the answer?? Link to post Share on other sites
YourBigEvent 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 I had two laptops and two external hard drives, but plugged an incorrect PSU into one of my hard drive caddies and mashed the drive, so needed a new drive anyway, and a couple of my machines are getting ready to retire anyway, so killed two birds with one stone by buying a large hard drive already in a new machine, my backup laptop will be running with an external 120GB hard drive, and I have just brought another 120GB hard drive as back up for the back up, which will stay at home, so we can listen to music at home. Also when I retire from DJing in a few years I will keep this new laptop, and it will still be quite good, as opposed to old and a P3. BTW I didn't buy it from PC World, although if you are a business customer they have some good deals, I buy all my computers from the same place, which means more discount each time, brought three machines from them this week since Tuesday http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif .....but what do I know ? Your Big Event Office:01803 813540 Direct: 0797 0717 448 e.mail:info@yourbigevent.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisPointon 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 QUOTE brought three machines from them this week since Tuesday When are you meeting me at Bowlers Computer Fair for that Pint Andy? Link to post Share on other sites
mikeee 0 Posted February 18, 2005 Report Share Posted February 18, 2005 PC World - Oh hell, do you want the number of my psychatrist (sp) And I always though you were sensible........... ..playing all the hits for you... ....whether you may be.... Why can't I see what i going on??? Link to post Share on other sites
YourBigEvent 0 Posted February 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2005 Right laptop arrived, and was put to work straight away, as last time I copied my hard drive it took about 24 hours, plugged in my USB2 into the laptop and transferred 30GB in 30 minutes !! .....but what do I know ? Your Big Event Office:01803 813540 Direct: 0797 0717 448 e.mail:info@yourbigevent.co.uk Link to post Share on other sites
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