Venues with Sound limiters

[D.X 0]

I can see marquee weddings getting a lot more popular when these new noise laws come out.

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I can see marquee weddings getting a lot more popular when these new noise laws come out.

 

mmmm, now there's a good idea...

 

try typing "marquee DJ" or "marquee wedding DJ" into google and see what happens!

[Paul Smith 0]

Well done you :Thumbup:

[D.X 0]

mmmm, now there's a good idea...

 

try typing "marquee DJ" or "marquee wedding DJ" into google and see what happens!

 

 

Nice, how you pull that off excactly ?

 

Nice website too. And a very well developed array of services. I hope to get as deep into this game as you are one day :Thumbup:

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Well it shows Google dont penalise you for toooooooooooooo many metatags :dan+ju:

 

Jim

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Well it shows Google dont penalise you for toooooooooooooo many metatags :dan+ju:

 

Jim

 

Jim,

 

if I actually knew what they were I'd laugh too!

 

Nice, how you pull that off excactly ?

 

Nice website too. And a very well developed array of services. I hope to get as deep into this game as you are one day

 

I use a directory maximiser service. Costs about £20 to have your site manually submitted to a number of directories (I think £20 got me about 300). All done by hand by real people. In my limitted understanding, I believe that Google ranking is mainly based on incoming links, so get the link text and wording right and bingo.

 

Glad you liked the site - still a little untidy for my liking, but better than it was. I'm not a web designer by any means, so it is all my own work. The venue lighting is the next big thing - really hoping that comes off. The PA is also a new thing, but I do a couple of comedy clubs each month so it's a start. Think I need some more corporate friendly gear though! Early days.

 

Oh and I must finish the Party DJ page!

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Jim,

 

if I actually knew what they were I'd laugh too!

Met tags are keywords that are hidden in the source of the page, in the early days of the web they were exclusively used to identify content of your website.

However some companies use meta tag keywords that dont relate to their site, but are popular search words to get better listings in the search engines, beacause of this the search engines tend not to put too much weight on meta tags. Indeed nowadays having too many words and words that are repeated too many times in your meta tags can be frowned upon and your listing being negatively effected.

 

This is the meta tag keyword list for your site :-

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Met tags are keywords that are hidden in the source of the page, in the early days of the web they were exclusively used to identify content of your website.

However some companies use meta tag keywords that dont relate to their site, but are popular search words to get better listings in the search engines, beacause of this the search engines tend not to put too much weight on meta tags. Indeed nowadays having too many words and words that are repeated too many times in your meta tags can be frowned upon and your listing being negatively effected.

 

This is the meta tag keyword list for your site :-

Jim

 

 

Ha ha ha - now I can laugh!

 

Got to be better than keyword stuffing - been there, got the T-shirt!

 

Have to say the "meta tags" actually have no real effect on my Google placement. I only got where I am from the directory maximiser service. Something I would highly recomend!

[TonyB 0]

Ha ha ha - now I can laugh!

 

Got to be better than keyword stuffing - been there, got the T-shirt!

 

Have to say the "meta tags" actually have no real effect on my Google placement. I only got where I am from the directory maximiser service. Something I would highly recomend!

 

Yeah but my websites worth more than yours tongue out icon

 

ttiger: $1,943

Revelation Roadshow: $686

 

Confirmed source: http://directory.sootle.com/website-worth/

 

:bouncy: (I must get out more!)

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Yeah but my websites worth more than yours tongue out icon

 

ttiger: $1,943

Revelation Roadshow: $686

 

Confirmed source: http://directory.sootle.com/website-worth/

 

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www.prismdisco.co.uk $79.00 :sad: :sad: :sad:

 

 

Jim

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and...

 

www.dj-forum.co.uk

 

a staggering $10,236

 

Who's in charge here then?

[D.X 0]

Ha ha ha - now I can laugh!

 

Got to be better than keyword stuffing - been there, got the T-shirt!

 

 

Yeah, I have seen websites that list every town they play in at the bottom of every page on their site. Not only does it look bad but as has been said, Google penalise you for it.

 

Links give you a higher ranking so link farms started appearing but Google clamped down on that too. It's pretty hard to trick those guys these days.

[patrickman123 0]

york house, stony stratford in milton keynes.

 

in the performers area they have a noise limiter unit with a bar graph display up high on the wall coming from that they have a reset switch lower down.

 

its a nice venue but the noise limiter is VERY sensitive if you drag a chair along the floor or drop something it makes he first few greens light up.

 

i couldnt play the system very loud because its very sensitive

people still enjoyed the evening though.

 

30 people singing happy brithday and cheering does manage to make the 'over limit' lights come on.

and i couldnt cover up the mic because the limiter was being monitored, and i couldnt plug in in the kitchen area or anywhere because all the sockets in that area were connected to the limiter.

and the landlord said if we covered up the mic or anything like that we'd get fined £100.

so kiss my :moon: york house :lame: ;thumbdown: :rant: :djurant:

[MintyDave 0]

york house, stony stratford in milton keynes.

 

in the performers area they have a noise limiter unit with a bar graph display up high on the wall coming from that they have a reset switch lower down.

 

its a nice venue but the noise limiter is VERY sensitive if you drag a chair along the floor or drop something it makes he first few greens light up.

 

i couldnt play the system very loud because its very sensitive

people still enjoyed the evening though.

 

30 people singing happy brithday and cheering does manage to make the 'over limit' lights come on.

and i couldnt cover up the mic because the limiter was being monitored, and i couldnt plug in in the kitchen area or anywhere because all the sockets in that area were connected to the limiter.

and the landlord said if we covered up the mic or anything like that we'd get fined £100.

so kiss my :moon: york house :lame: ;thumbdown: :rant: :djurant:

 

Oh dear. you can only do what you are allowed to do and if you do get any complaints from clients i would just point at the limiter and shrug my shoulders. If people singing and cheering trip the limiter i would get the clients to complain to the landlord, nothing like a quiet spell to make the crowd a bit miffed, as long as they appreciate its not your fault.

 

 

I have only been in 1 venue with a limiter and was told it was very sensative, i cranked my system well up and it never went anywhere near orange.

[Dukesy 0]

I don't understand all the fuss? If a client books a venue, they are usually made aware by the venue that a sound limiter is installed on premises. If the client is unsure what the limiter 'does', they can obviously ask the venue, or, their 'DJ' service can make them aware during the initial enquiry stage, i.e. what a noise limiter's 'job' is. I expect a lot of DJs already do this, drawing on their experience, and then some!

 

Sure, it may be a little harder for the 'DJ' to do their job with these devices in operation, but ultimately the client has the choice at the end of day to hire the venue, or not!

 

Tampering with venue owned equipment / sound limiters will likely result in more than a £100 fine, that's for sure! I would suggest not to interfere with these devices - ever! smile icon

 

 

[UKHero 0]

I don't understand all the fuss? If a client books a venue, they are usually made aware by the venue that a sound limiter is installed on premises. If the client is unsure what the limiter 'does', they can obviously ask the venue, or, their 'DJ' service can make them aware during the initial enquiry stage, i.e. what a noise limiter's 'job' is. I expect a lot of DJs already do this, drawing on their experience, and then some!

 

Sure, it may be a little harder for the 'DJ' to do their job with these devices in operation, but ultimately the client has the choice at the end of day to hire the venue, or not!

 

Tampering with venue owned equipment / sound limiters will likely result in more than a £100 fine, that's for sure! I would suggest not to interfere with these devices - ever! smile icon

 

 

Sorry Dan I disagree I have had many occasions where the client has not been informed of the sound limiter and what it does.

 

Nik

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I don't understand all the fuss? If a client books a venue, they are usually made aware by the venue that a sound limiter is installed on premises. If the client is unsure what the limiter 'does', they can obviously ask the venue, or, their 'DJ' service can make them aware during the initial enquiry stage, i.e. what a noise limiter's 'job' is. I expect a lot of DJs already do this, drawing on their experience, and then some!

 

 

 

There is one venue with which I'm familiar and at which I have been booked, where, on more than one occasion, my clients had not been made aware of the limiter. At one wedding reception it was set so badly that the power was cut when I announced the first dance!!!!

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Sorry Dan I disagree I have had many occasions where the client has not been informed of the sound limiter and what it does.

 

For sure. smile icon

 

I too have had bad experience with these installed sound limiters which is why I cover the pitfalls to all my clients.

 

Regardless whether a DJ knows that a particular venue has a limiter installed or not, if that DJ has 'experience' of such devices, they have an 'option' to choose to say nothing, or point out to their clients the pros and cons of how the devices work (during operation / performance etc). I choose the latter option.

 

My view is at the end of the day, if the hired service fails to provide suitable / sufficient information to the hirer's interest then ok, that's their choice. But personally, I'd rather not have the needless worry and concern on the night. My only desire is for the client/s and their guests to have a good time, deliver a non-fuss service and maintain the service reputation, excel as a service provider, etc, etc. smile icon

 

Does anyone include a point in their client hire T&Cs about sound limiters?

[vokf 0]

To be honest... the DJ has a choice; either decline the gig, or work within the limits. If we need the gig to pay the bills, then it should be an easy choice.

 

I've got a gig at the end of June where there is no sound monitior, but I'm forced to use the venues sound system.

Its a Mono, ceiling mounted system. The amp is battered, and I've been told by another DJ here that the sound is pretty poor. The client has provided a mainly indie & rock playlist.. I suspect my phone's speaker will sound better than this..

 

Now - I worked this out when visiting the venue with the client, and they are aware that the sound will not be heard away from the dance-floor.

For speeches, we'll use a single active speaker, which will then be packed away for the rest of the night.

 

Now, I'd MUCH prefer to have a sound level monitor in this case. I can work within the limits (assuming traffic-light system), and still provide good quality sound.

 

 

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Regardless whether a DJ knows that a particular venue has a limiter installed or not, if that DJ has 'experience' of such devices, they have an 'option' to choose to say nothing, or point out to their clients the pros and cons of how the devices work (during operation / performance etc). I choose the latter option.

 

 

 

 

Quite right too.

 

When the limiter is set artifically low, even when the clients have been made aware of the situation, the guests assume there's a problem with your equipment when the power goes off!!

[UKHero 0]

We seem to all be going around in circles over the last few posts in this thread. I have turned gigs down at two venues I know that have unrealistic settings. But like wise I have worked within the limitations of the sound limiter.

 

I do feel it is a shame when a night is ruined by such a device and the client was not informed of it before they paid over the money to hire the venue. Again this is another case where I feel if we as DJs treated our clients like this we would get a bad reputation.

 

Nik

[stardust 0]

I have it in my T&C's stating something along the lines of " Please check with your chosen venue if a Sound limiter is in place" and "We do not have any control over Sound limiters and can only play music as loud as the limiter allows us"

 

In fact this is one of the first things i verbally check with clients (even kids discos as sometimes the kids noises can break the barrier alone!) as IMO it can ruin a party/disco.

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I have it in my T&C's stating something along the lines of " Please check with your chosen venue if a Sound limiter is in place" and "We do not have any control over Sound limiters and can only play music as loud as the limiter allows us"

 

In fact this is one of the first things i verbally check with clients (even kids discos as sometimes the kids noises can break the barrier alone!) as IMO it can ruin a party/disco.

 

I include the following in my T&Cs:

 

8.1 The hirer will inform Pimlico Entertainment prior to performance date confirmation of venue sound limiter installation. Please note: Pimlico Entertainment reserve the right to decline entertainment at venues with sound limiter installed.

 

 

 

 

 

[Tommo55 0]

I have it in my T&C's stating something along the lines of " Please check with your chosen venue if a Sound limiter is in place" and "We do not have any control over Sound limiters and can only play music as loud as the limiter allows us"

 

In fact this is one of the first things i verbally check with clients (even kids discos as sometimes the kids noises can break the barrier alone!) as IMO it can ruin a party/disco.

 

 

Thanks Stardust, I shall be adding these phrases into my contract as I have had nothing but grief from these infernal contraptions!

 

But don't you sometimes feel for the venues themselves?

 

I play a couple of venues regularly both of which have been around for well over 75 years!

 

The first had a new housing estate built next to it and within three weeks of the new residents moving in the club had visits from the 'Men from the Council' :damn: telling them they had received a complaint about excessive noise and a limiter had to be installed!

 

So how is it that a club that has been in existance for 75 years becomes the bad boy and slapped with threats of losing their entertainments licence following complaints from someone whos only been there three weeks :wall: If you choose to live next to a social club what do you expect!

 

The second ......now you won't believe this but the compliant came from a student living next door in newly built halls of residence :joe:

 

The said student left the halls 5 months later but the noise order AND limiter remain in force, if you open the doors by the stage all power is tripped as well as at the upper volume levels!

 

As a footnote if either club lose their entertainment licences they will have to inevitably close Leaving the city without two great venues with 'proper' fixed dance floors, and stages from which to perform

 

So its like moving next to an airport and complaining about the planes! :rant:

 

How can this be fair the worlds gone crazy I'ze tells ya!

Edited June 3, 2010 by Tommo55

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....its like moving next to an airport and complaining about the planes! :rant:

 

 

 

 

Or like the city dwellers who have moved into Burnham Market and complained abouts cockerels crowing in the morning and people who move to the country near farms then complain about farm smells!