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#16 DJ SPARKO

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 03:44 PM

Leigh Labour Club. whever the limiter has been removed of smashed up yet?
dingy little place whereby the staff wont let you into the fuction room (3 FLOORS HIGH AARRGG) untill you cart your gear outside the door then they will let you in due to 'security reasons'!! really really p*ssed off!

any way the sound limiter was quite high untill 10.00pm the manager reduced it to a pathetic output 'due to regulations'

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 04:52 PM

Telford and Wrekin Council love Sound Limiters.

I was offered a residency at the Shropshire Golf and Country Club just after Christmas, which I did 5 gigs at before leaving because of the riddiculous setting on the damned thing. Final straw was when I played Come On Eileen, I knew what to expect so during the heavy stamping bit I completely dropped my volume, and the customers stamping and singing cut the power.

Also very badly set at the Valley Hotel Ironbridge, and West Bromwich Moat House Hotel. (although not returned to these venues for several years, so they may have changed).

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#18 RobbieD

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Posted 01 June 2005 - 09:01 PM

I came across another this weekend:

The Porter Tun room at The Brewery, London EC1

Just along the road from the Barbican, The Brewery is a very nice venue. The Porter Tun room is a massive room (will take up to 800 people) with a high timber roof (I was told the widest span in London with no pillars) and large stage. I also noticed multiple Bose 802's installed high around the walls, above the beams.

However, they have a sound limiter. One of the types with the large bar graph display (in this case two displays - one each side of the room).

The level was set reasonably high. - More than loud enough for a wedding function without any chance of tripping. However this was a corporate event, with the majority of guests in their 20's expecting night club levels, which the limiter just wouldn't let me get to. So I had to ignore the many requests and signals from people on the dance floor to turn the music up, but at least avoided tripping the limiter.

(I forgot my sound level meter, but I would guess that I was running at around 95dB-100dB with the occasional red light flash.)
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 09:22 AM

ok sound limiters are a pain in the butt...
I have always found its not me and my music wasntme-sign.gif
its the crowd singing !! especially if your playing grease or hey baby !!

So i suppose the answer to this is dont play that type of music ( i wish !)
or go round and gaffer tape all the singers ! stupid.gif
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 10:50 AM

QUOTE (RobbieD @ Jun 1 2005, 10:00 PM)
I came across another this weekend:

The Porter Tun room at The Brewery, London EC1

Just along the road from the Barbican,

That's just reminded me; there is also a limiter at The Barbican in the City. The last time I worked there (a few months ago) it was set extremely low. The guests clapping the B&G for the 1st dance set the thing off mad.gif that was when I knew it was gonna be a long night!

This thread is an extremely good resource but not as useful as it might be; because you'd need to either memorise every venue or read through this every every few months. It would be a lot more use if it were put into some sort of database or even onto an excel spreadsheet. It would need to be split into different geographical areas, cos most DJs will operate within a certain radius, i.e. within 150 miles or so of their home.

The most obvious splits would be:
Scotland
North-East
North-West
Midlands
South-East
South-West
Wales
Eire & N Ireland

Does anyone know a way that we'd each individually be able to add data to such a database, and have the database automatically sort the data alphabetically. I'd guess that the most obvious filter for the above geographical split would be based on counties, as postcodes would be far too much work to setup in the first place.

If we did have a comprehensive database such as this, I for one would go through records of previous bookings and enter details of venues that have had limiters, if others did the same after a while we'd get a reasonably comprehensive list, i.e. it wouldn't need thousands of DJs in order to get a very useable resource.

Anyone have any ideas on the best way to implement something like this 533.gif
Obviously, we'd also need a site to host the database on. I'm guessing any SQL experts would know the answers to setting up such a database?

I've recently found out that two bookings which I'd taken a while ago both have limiters at the venues. One is set at 95db and the other is set at 85db!!! fear.gif fear.gif fear.gif
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Posted 21 June 2005 - 05:03 PM

QUOTE (Eskie @ Jun 2 2005, 11:50 AM)
This thread is an extremely good resource but not as useful as it might be; because you'd need to either memorise every venue or read through this every  every few months. It would be a lot more use if it were put into some sort of database or even onto an excel spreadsheet. It would need to be split into different geographical areas, cos most DJs will operate within a certain radius, i.e. within 150 miles or so of their home.

The most obvious splits would be:
Scotland
North-East
North-West
Midlands
South-East
South-West
Wales
Eire & N Ireland
Well this thread is all we have at the moment. If we keep listing here, then one day we can use this thread to start a database of some kind.

QUOTE (Eskie @ Jun 2 2005, 11:50 AM)

I've recently found out that two bookings which I'd taken a while ago both have limiters at the venues. One is set at 95db and the other is set at 85db!!!  fear.gif  fear.gif  fear.gif
Can you name these venues here Eskie?
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Posted 21 June 2005 - 05:26 PM

I agree, Venues always get the final say and as wedding DJ entertainment, we're at the bottom of the barrel in terms of allowances. I wanted to add some kind of honest DJ review to my website for every venue I did but I think it's better to have it here instead so heres one to add:

Location: South-East
Venue: Tithe Barn, High Street, Hurley, Nr Maidenhead, Berks, SL6 5LX
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They have a limiter that will turn off the main power for about 5 seconds. This will turn off in situations where there is too much bass, Microphone levels are too high or if the audience gets too excited and screams or shouts.
Management:
Were nice to deal with and very flexible in working with them. I'll dealt with the wedding coordinator Lydia Larkin and Ritesh for the evening arrangements.
PreReq's:
before playing at the event, they will expect to see:
Up to date PAT document and PLI Cert and they will most likely ask you to sign a sound limiter disclaimer as well. There is a magistrate who lives around the corner that would get really upset and set the dogs upon them if the music is loud past 12am
Cut off time: 12am - absolute latest before they get really upset is 12:15am






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Posted 22 June 2005 - 02:25 PM

Brennan's Bar
St John Street
Perth, Scotland


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Posted 17 July 2005 - 09:36 AM

Village Hotel,
Coryton,
Cardiff.

I agree that the DJ might have done all he can to limit the volume level under the cutoff threshold and then find that the audience chants and singalongs sets the whole lot off (literally).

Reset switch is in a cupboard behind where the DJ sets up.

Helpful staff who appreciate that it's sometimes out of the DJ's hands when limiter is tripped.

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Posted 17 July 2005 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE (RobbieD @ Jun 21 2005, 06:02 PM)
QUOTE (Eskie @ Jun 2 2005, 11:50 AM)

I've recently found out that two bookings which I'd taken a while ago both have limiters at the venues. One is set at 95db and the other is set at 85db!!!  fear.gif  fear.gif  fear.gif
Can you name these venues here Eskie?

The two venues are:
The Blazing Donkey in Sandwich, Kent and Oaks Farm in Croydon and funnily enough I do these two gigs on consecutive sundays in september!
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Posted 16 October 2005 - 07:05 PM

Hi, Sorry would've posted earlier, Have been on Holiday for the past week and a half to sunny Blackpool!!

Leighton Buzzard Footbal Club

Leighton Buzzard United footbal club hall. Sound limiter is set really low. Which means even at Conversation level the limiter is almost peaking, which makes it really hard only using a 2 x 100watt sound system. Usually I use 2000watts so does help me taking less equipment, however still struggle with smaller system!

There is only 1 double socket on the wall, and that is the more convenient placed socket to use. However I resuse to plug all my gear into 1 socket. So I plug the lights into that one which is connected to the limiter, then the sound system to the socket that the cookers is plugged into in the kitchen just behind, as this socket isnt connected to the sound limiter.

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Posted 16 October 2005 - 08:10 PM

List so far
Bancourt Hotel Torquay
Brennan's Bar St John Street Perth Scotland
Burnham Beeches Hotel Slough
Burnham Village Hall Slough
Floyd's Bar Charlton Athletic FC Greenwich South East London
Leigh Labour Club
Leighton Buzzard Footbal Club
Maxilla Hall Maxilla Walk London W10
Oaks Farm Croydon
Shropshire Golf and Country Club Shropshire
The Barbican City London
The Blazing Donkey Sandwich Kent
The Brewery The Porter Tun room London EC1
The Chestnut Tree Lea Bridge Rd Leyton E10
The Ivy House pub Peckham South East London
The white horse hotel Hertingfordbury Nr Hertford
Tithe Barn High Street Hurley Nr Maidenhead Berks SL6 5LX
Valley Hotel Ironbridge
Village Hotel Coryton Cardiff
West Bromwich Moat House Hotel

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 10:37 AM

BRITANNIA COUNTRY HOUSE HOTEL - MANCHESTER
Palatine Road, Didsbury, Manchester M20 2WG (no way round this one)


BRITANNIA HOTEL STOCKPORT
Dialstone Lane, Offerton, Stockport SK2 6AG (next to where you set up are 2 doors that lead into a long coridor part way down is a power socket rolleyes.gif so long as the General Manager dont see the staff dont care so long as you have some thing pluged in the sockets by he stage i.e. lamp /fan)


The Barn, Egerton House Hotel
Blackburn Rd, Lancashire, Bolton BL7 9PL, England ( this place provides a long extention for the DJ to by pass the limiter BUT its a bugger to get into to and you have to set up on a very high balconey looking down on the crowd)






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#29 Eskie

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Posted 19 October 2005 - 11:57 AM

QUOTE (Eskie @ Jul 17 2005, 12:17 PM)
The two venues are:
The Blazing Donkey in Sandwich, Kent and Oaks Farm in Croydon and funnily enough I do these two gigs on consecutive sundays in september!

Forgot to inform the outcome of these gigs.
The Blazing Donkey was no problem whatsoever and there was no sign of a limiter at all thumbup.gif
Oaks Farm was a far different story and the limiter went off twice just from the crowd singing along, which put a real dampener on the night as I had to ask them to sing along much quieter sad.gif
When these limiters aren't set correctly (as was the case at this venue) all they do is annoy everyone... but with many guests not understanding the situation they probably believe the DJ is to blame as not everyone listens when you explain the situation on the mic.
I would definitely advise anyone to avoid Oaks Farm in Shirley, Croydon unless you enjoy frustration! wacko.gif
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Posted 19 October 2005 - 01:06 PM

At this time of year, its not uncommon to find that caretakers, or whoever at a venue holds the keys (but not nessecerely the expertise) to change the noise limiter settings have changed the settings during the summer.

What happens at a venue near me (not the one that I'm helping to choose a noise limiter for), is that during the summer, the windows and doors get flung open due to the heat at the functions, the music wafts out of the venue more than usual, the neighbours (who also have their windows open) hear the music more than they do during a mid-winter function, and grumble about it to the caketaker/venue manager who then knee-jerks the controls with an anti-clockwise florish - possibly thinking that they'll try to remember to change it back, once the summer heat fades and the windows/doors wont be mis-used.

The difficulty here is that with some venues which might experience high/fast staff turnover, such "temporary" changes often dont get changed back - purely by accident. As the neighbours arent going to helpfully remind the venue that they can turn it up again come Autumn, it can be a case that a tactful question of "did the limiter get turned down during the summer?" needs to be asked.


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