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#106 Raymilkybarkid

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 08:05 PM

QUOTE(Dukesy @ Jun 2 2010, 02:50 PM) View Post

Does anyone include a point in their client hire T&Cs about sound limiters?


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19) Sound limiters
Some venues now have sound limiters fitted, and we may be unable to play at the volumes you may require


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Posted 30 July 2010 - 10:21 PM

I have a whole pargraph:-

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4. Sound Limiting Devices.

We reserve the right to refuse to work in venue's which have unreasonably low set sound limiting devices installed should it be deemed necessary to do so. If such a device is fitted a smaller show may be provided.
Many sound limiters work by cutting mains power at source - as a result sudden power loss is very likely to cause serious damage to computer based equipment and can cause expensive damage to speakers and amplification hardware. If damage is caused from such a device to audio or lighting equipment the venue and/or client will be fully liable for the cost of any repairs.
It is also detrimental to the guests’ enjoyment of the function as they are often triggered simply by the noise volume of audience participation. An alternative is if an agreement is made to provide an uninterrupted power supply and an understanding between the venue management and the presenter that the volume will be kept to a level acceptable to all parties.


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#108 funkymook

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Posted 30 July 2010 - 10:37 PM

Last couple of places I've played with a sound limiter I've only plugged my mixer through it - all my other gear (active speakers, HD2500) are on normal mains, so if it does trip sound goes off but everything but the mixer stays on - does anyone else do this?

#109 deejaymitch

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 06:01 AM

QUOTE(robbiedj @ Jul 30 2010, 11:21 PM) View Post

If damage is caused from such a device to audio or lighting equipment the venue and/or client will be fully liable for the cost of any repairs.


Is the part about holding the venue responsible enforceable? If the T&C relates to a contract between you and a client, of which the venue have no knowledge, I wouldn't have thought so.
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 08:27 AM

QUOTE(funkymook @ Jul 30 2010, 11:37 PM) View Post

Last couple of places I've played with a sound limiter I've only plugged my mixer through it - all my other gear (active speakers, HD2500) are on normal mains, so if it does trip sound goes off but everything but the mixer stays on - does anyone else do this?


No. Thankfully, I've not had to deal with a sound limiter yet. But I'd obviously plug into the right sockets I'm supposed to. There's an argument for lighting (which needs to stay cool), to be plugged into non-limited sockets to avoid bulbs blowing (and potentially exploding in some cases?).

Surely your mixer going off/on will send a spike through the main-outs, causing a thump/pop to be heard? Wouldn't this potentially damage your speakers, as you're always supposed to turn on amps last after everything else ?

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#111 funkymook

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Posted 31 July 2010 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE(gadget @ Jul 31 2010, 08:27 AM) View Post

Surely your mixer going off/on will send a spike through the main-outs, causing a thump/pop to be heard? Wouldn't this potentially damage your speakers, as you're always supposed to turn on amps last after everything else ?


Good point - I didn't notice any thump/pop the couple of times it happened (maybe the music masked it) - I'll listen more carefully next time just in case it does. I did drop the volume on the mixer so I could fade the music back in rather than getting a sudden blast when it came on again, didn't hear anything then either. If it does happen maybe it'd be better to have just the active speakers rather than the mixer connected to it?

Worst thing I ever had was a boat party - no limiter, but they cut the power at every lock, and I couldn't see when the locks were coming up and even though I kept asking they didn't give me any advanced warning - never again!

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Posted 01 August 2010 - 09:26 AM

I had my first experience of a sound limiter last night doing a combined disco/karaoke. Doing the disco it was fairly easy to stay within the traffic light system. I explained to the guests at the beginning of the evening that I couldn't ramp the sound up and what would happen if I did.

Then came the karaoke and this is where it got really tricky. Especially for the male singers, the vocals pushed it straight into the red, I had to turn the mic right down and was constantly monitoring every singer. It took the enjoyment out of it for me, I had to concentrate on those damn lights.

I had to take a pee break during a singer and left my wife behind the kit. I should of explained which knob does the mic sound. As I walked back in the guy was singing American Pie, and he sang "and then the music died". As if on cue the power went off!

I got it all back up in a couple of minutes and the crowd were sympathetic but my I shouldn't have gone for the leak. Oh well you live and learn.

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 08:10 PM

Bath Assembley Rooms has one, but never went over amber and never turned me off.

Old Barn Club Yeovil- Switched me off 5 times in one night, now refuse to gig there.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 10:02 AM

I had a residency at a local club last year.
They had a noise limiter fitted.
To top things off there was a bad connection somewhere on the loop the limiter was fitted to which meant that sometimes, even when the bar was quiet with no music playing and just me and the manager behind the bar chatting, the limiter would shoot up onto red for a few seconds!
The damn thing was so temperamental it did my head in.
I must admit though, there's nothing like that rush you get when the red light comes on and you start counting and right at the last millisecond it goes off.

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My other residency (which I still have) should probably have a noise limiter fitted, but I know full well that if it had one the manager would just bypass it constantly anyway.
Actually that reminds me... I was gigging in a local pub with my band on Saturday night. It's right smack bang in the middle of a huge posh housing estate. The venue had a limiter fitted which we could monitor from where we were playing. All we had to do was cough (away from the mics) and it would shoot straight up into the red. The noise from the crowd chatting before we even started was knocking it up into the red. The manager explained that it was ridiculous and always gets the bands to plug in elsewhere!

I keep having nightmares about the damn things lol




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