1st dance on a CD-R

[juski 0]

I think it'd be best practise to tell your customers that you'd prefer them not to supply music on CDR or any other recordable format. That way it's far less ambiguous.

 

On the night though - give them the benefit of the doubt. Nobody likes a jobsworth.

[RobbieD 0]

I've have tracks handed to me by the customer on CDR. Normally I tell them that my CD players won't play CDR's.

 

But if it was the first dance, and I didn't have the song myself, I would make an exception.

[Steve_Mitchell 0]

QUOTE (Gary @ Aug 8 2005, 08:21 AM)

One thing to consider, which we all missed (including me) earlier on in the thread, is that the CD-R that the customer hands you, complete with his permanent marker title scribbled on the sticky label, can nowadays be as legit as a shop-bought CD, thanks to the various 100% legal download services, offering anything from singles to full CD albums. Who's to know. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif As discussed previously, some DJ's might not be able to play CDRs simply due to equipment compatibility - eg: CD-players more than 5 years old for example, simply might not play them correctly.

as am reading everybodies veiws on this thread Gary`s comments above was always on my mind and thats what I was going to write

 

As for the clowns that wouldn`t play it GET A LIFE!!!!

 

WOULD YOU REALLY RUIN THE B&G`S WEDDING OVER 1 SONG????

 

YOU TOOLS.

[FDDJ 0]

QUOTE (stevemitchell @ Aug 8 2005, 10:33 PM)

As for the clowns that wouldn`t play it GET A LIFE!!!! WOULD YOU REALLY RUIN THE B&G`S WEDDING OVER 1 SONG???? YOU TOOLS.

Get a life?

 

Not one person on this thread has said they wouldn't play it! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/huh.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif

 

Get some glasses more like.... http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/hide.gif

[Gary 0]

Daisys, roses, green hills, sandy beaches, the sound of waves gently lapping up to your toes...

 

Ah.... peaceful thoughts...

 

Early on in this thread, a suggestion was made that everyone should just play it (the CDR), and it was clarified that, by that point no-one had said that they wouldnt play it. Its appears that the same thought-trail has occured again, later on in the thread.

 

Overall, it seems that all of us would play a CDR handed to us, rather than spoil the persons big day by starting some morals and principles discussion which could only end badly. I can imagine the virtual Bride in tears "Wah! he wont play our special record", the groom doing an IanS by saying - "Just play it!", and all the guests disappearing seconds after the buffets being demolished due to bad atmosphere... - We're all saying that we would take the required action to avoid such scenes.

 

On an even more positive note, it also appears from members comments above that the majority of us utilse forward planning to ensure that we ourselves bring the requested music to the night.

 

Clearly an emotive subject - and a very interesting point of discussion - truely what forums are all about.

 

 

[Steve_Mitchell 0]

QUOTE (StevJam @ Aug 7 2005, 03:55 PM)

QUOTE (ADS Entertainments @ Aug 7 2005, 04:51 PM) I bet you guys do excately 30mph to get to the motorway, then go no more than 70mph on the motorway to get to the gig too. Yep, I always try and stay within the speed limits at all times. Your point being? Im think Andy`s point is your a jobs-worth.   QUOTE (StevJam @ Aug 9 2005, 07:07 AM) QUOTE (stevemitchell @ Aug 8 2005, 10:33 PM) As for the clowns that wouldn`t play it GET A LIFE!!!! WOULD YOU REALLY RUIN THE B&G`S WEDDING OVER 1 SONG???? YOU TOOLS. Get a life?   Not one person on this thread has said they wouldn't play it! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/huh.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif   Get some glasses more like.... http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/hide.gif Ok point taken , however there is a couple that said the 1st dance is all they would play.   If the people who employ you on the night and are paying good money you play what ever they want, even if its a game of football on the car park!!!

Edited August 9, 2005 by Gary

[FDDJ 0]

The reason I try and stay within the speed limit is because a very close friend of mine lost his brother to a guy doing 50 in a 30 MPH zone.

 

The loss of his brother nearly destroyed him and had a major impact on me.

 

I will do everything I can to avoid putting anyone else through the trauma and emotional pain that he experienced and that I witnessed first hand.

[Gary 0]

 

 

Out of interest - is there any member who would take the opposite tact on the original point of discussion - eg: When handed a CDR?

 

EG: Would not play it under any circumstances?

 

I could see such an action taking several possible directions... such as:

 

 

* The DJ listens to the CD in headphones and realises that he/she has the track in their own collections, and digs that out, leaving the CDR in its plastic sleeve all night.

 

* The DJ asks the Bride & Groom to choose another "special" record, one which he/she does have in their collection - by claiming that it wont play properly in his/her "old" CD-players.

 

* The DJ asks the Bride & Groom to choose another "special" record, one which he/she does have in their collection - by claiming he could get prosecuted and the venue could lose its PRS/PPL license if discovered.

 

* The Bride & Groom decide not to have any first dance at all - they'll just join in with everyone else during any slowies you happen to play.

 

* Financial implications / refunds are discussed.

 

* DJ is sent home

 

 

The last 3 points could so easily merge in almost any combination.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Any further fresh thoughts on CDR's?

 

[High Fidelity 0]

The only possible situation I can think of where I might refuse to play it is:

 

If I listened to it through the headphones and it was either offensive, or had explicit/foul language which I felt could offend some of the guests.

 

I would hope this would never happen as it is in my T&C's that I won't play such material.

 

I would much rather upset the customer (1 person), than have 30 of the guests (possible future customers), thinking what a horrible DJ playing that stuff, "I'll never book them for any of my functions".

[Steve_Mitchell 0]

QUOTE (High Fidelity @ Aug 9 2005, 10:11 AM)

The only possible situation I can think of where I might refuse to play it is: If I listened to it through the headphones and it was either offensive, or had explicit/foul language which I felt could offend some of the guests. I would hope this would never happen as it is in my T&C's that I won't play such material. I would much rather upset the customer (1 person), than have 30 of the guests (possible future customers), thinking what a horrible DJ playing that stuff, "I'll never book them for any of my functions".

yep

 

well said that man above!!

[jackcu 0]

QUOTE (DJF @ Aug 8 2005, 02:47 PM)

i have done on a few occaisions very similar they hadn't decided what THEIR SONG was

That made me laugh,

 

"We have a song that's REALLY, REALLY special to us............we just haven't decided what it is yet."

 

ROFLMAO

 

Nice one!

 

Jack.

[ian 0]

QUOTE (Gary @ Aug 9 2005, 10:02 AM)

The DJ listens to the CD in headphones and realises that he/she has the track in their own collections, and digs that out, leaving the CDR in its plastic sleeve all night.

I think this would be my preferred option. I'd always rather use my own copy because I know it's reliable. If the CD doesn't play, then it's the DJ who gets the blame even if it's not their CD.

 

I remember being at an event where there was a dance show and the dance team gave the DJ a CD-R for him to play for their show. The CD-R played for about 30s and then gave up. They stopped the show and put the CD-R on again and the same thing happened. Can't remember if they tried again, but in the end they had to abandon the show. I think this was a combination of old CD player and a sweaty room, but the dance team was blaming the promoter for dodgy equipment and the promoter was blaming the dance team for using a dodgy CD-R.

 

QUOTE (Gary @ Aug 9 2005, 10:02 AM)

The DJ asks the Bride & Groom to choose another "special" record, one which he/she does have in their collection - by claiming that it wont play properly in his/her "old" CD-players.

Not too keen on this. You open yourself up to looking unprofessional or cheap. "What do you mean it won't play on your DJ CD equipment? It plays fine on my ten quid walkman. What sort of DJ are you?"

[Gary 0]

QUOTE (ian @ Aug 10 2005, 10:19 AM)

QUOTE (Gary @ Aug 9 2005, 10:02 AM) The DJ asks the Bride & Groom to choose another "special" record, one which he/she does have in their collection - by claiming that it wont play properly in his/her "old" CD-players. Not too keen on this. You open yourself up to looking unprofessional or cheap. "What do you mean it won't play on your DJ CD equipment? It plays fine on my ten quid walkman. What sort of DJ are you?"     Pioneer used to have a classic response to this during the early (first 2 or 3 firmware versions) when it became apparent that the CDJ-1000 MK1's were extremely fussy about which brands of CDR they would play successfully.   It was something along the lines of "You wouldnt put cheap oil in a formula 1 racing car". http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wallbash.gif

[ian 0]

QUOTE (Gary @ Aug 10 2005, 09:43 AM)

Pioneer used to have a classic response to this during the early (first 2 or 3 firmware versions) when it became apparent that the CDJ-1000 MK1's were extremely fussy about which brands of CDR they would play successfully. It was something along the lines of "You wouldnt put cheap oil in a formula 1 racing car". http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wallbash.gif

I like that reply ... I'll remember it!

 

Something else I've thought of - a real rule of mine, actually. My decks are slot loaders, so I won't put in a CD-R if it's got a small label stuck on it (I mean it's probably safe but I'm paranoid about getting the CD-R back out, but not the sticky label).

[analyst 0]

Just a small matter to make the point a little more "moot"

 

In the cases, broadly described here, wouldn't this "Wedding do" constitute a private party and therefore doesn't carry quite the same weight as a public performance, notwithstanding the legal provisions for copying a CD anyway.

 

 

[Gary 0]

QUOTE (ian @ Aug 10 2005, 01:20 PM)

Something else I've thought of - a real rule of mine, actually. My decks are slot loaders, so I won't put in a CD-R if it's got a small label stuck on it (I mean it's probably safe but I'm paranoid about getting the CD-R back out, but not the sticky label).

Good point!

 

The sticky labels which are circular and cover the entire (give or take a mm) surface of a CD are fine, as long as theres no obvious ripples, bumps, tears, signs of lifting etc.

 

Any label which is smaller than the CD, and only stuck above/below the centre will cause the disc to spin off-balance - it'll usually sound noisier on the spin-up too - not that you'll hear it over the music.

[BigBen 0]

Just to further complicate matters, I did a marquee gig a fortnight ago. Whilst equalising the venue (well, you have to justify your massive invoice don't you!!) I used a CD given to me by the client who wanted to upset his wife - you know, "...play this she hates it..!"

 

I did, and we pretended it was a fine example of the kind of material I would be playing later!

 

Anyway, I played one track, not even all the way through. It was the first CD I had played that day too, so the gear had only been on for about 15 minutes. When I ejected the drawer, there was no CD in it. Panicking everso slightly, I pushed the drawer back in and ejected it again. This time, there was a CD in it. Phew!

 

Turns out the CD was a copy purchased from a Sunday Car Boot. The seller had gotten printable CD's and had gone to the trouble of actually scanning the original cd in order to print the image on the copy. Now that I knew, it was obvious - no printing in the middle bit, 'cheap' looking CD with a blue underside, no case, etc.

 

So, no labels, stickers or writing just a cd that looked almost as good as the original. Don't you miss vinyl?

[Gary 0]

QUOTE (BigBen @ Aug 10 2005, 03:35 PM)

When I ejected the drawer, there was no CD in it. Panicking everso slightly, I pushed the drawer back in and ejected it again. This time, there was a CD in it. Phew!

The CD-deck wasnt previously rented/used by Paul Daniels, during a gig at The Magic Circle by any chance? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/rolleyes.gif

[BigBen 0]

I like that Gary...Not a lot!

[damo1023 0]

i'd probably play it through the back up cd player i have linked up in case of emergencys.

wouldnt want to be remembered as the guy ruining the wedding.

especially after being at my cousins wedding recently where they hda requested a song months in advance and the dj did not turn up with it.

the response he got was not good http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/censored2.gif

[YourBigEvent 0]

Surely you have all asked what the 1st dance is going to be before the gig so you already have it ?

[jeffwall 0]

lots of posts about this subject i see!!

I would take it from their hands, copy it a hundred times and sell the copies down the market, http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/071.gif

[paula 0]

QUOTE

Surely you have all asked what the 1st dance is going to be before the gig so you already have it ?

 

Exactly, Can't beleive this thread is still going on...and on.... http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wacko.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/sleep1.gif buy the music!

[BigBen 0]

QUOTE (Jeffwall @ Aug 10 2005, 06:34 PM)

I would take it from their hands, copy it a hundred times and sell the copies down the market

Only after making it available on all the illegal mp3 file sharing networks http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/014.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/014.gif

[spinner 0]

As has been mentioned before, there should be no need to have the B & G's first dance on CD-R when whatever they wanted should have been decided and acted upon weeks before the event.