Gary Glitter...DARE YOU PLAY HIM!!!!1

[exbutlinred82 0]

Leader of the Gang....is the best record very released bya paedophile.

 

 

 

BUT DARE YOU PLAY IT????????

 

 

 

 

 

[C.S 0]

Of course, we have had this discussion before. There are many artists who wouldnt get their records played if their private behavior was taken into account. I dont feel i condone gary glitters present behavior by playing songs he made in the 70s. Jerry lee lewis married his under age cousin but great balls of fire still gets played. Do not misunderstand, i feel that what mr glitter has done is terrible but i dont think it has anything to do with his music.

[YourBigEvent 0]

yes

[Dukesy 0]

agree too

[FDDJ 0]

I play Gary Glitter's Rock and Roll (Part 2) every week at one of my contract jobs (Ice Hockey).

 

There are plenty of artists who have done things that I disagree with, but I still play (and get asked for) their music.

 

If the music itself was offensive then that would be a different matter.

[music box 0]

I am pleased that this is up for discussion as, I played Glitter rock in a committee run club back in July and I got slaughtered for it no one said anything on the day but the committee phone me later durring the week to say they had recieved complaints that I had played Garry Glitter tunes which meant that I condoned his actions, which of course I don't this upset me a bit, so I took his music out of my lists, shame as there are some great tunes there that keep people on the floor. I did get booked for another gig there so of course I did not and have used his tunes since.

Pete

Edited November 22, 2005 by music box

[Dynamicdiscos 0]

I still play him and Michael Jackson

[Gary 0]

QUOTE (StevJam @ Nov 22 2005, 10:02 AM)

There are plenty of artists who have done things that I disagree with, but I still play (and get asked for)  their music. If the music itself was offensive then that would be a different matter.

Same here - I use "Leader of the gang" in a couple of different 70's party mixes etc and no-ones commented, and this christmas, I'm sure I'll be playing "rock'n'roll Christmas" more than a few times.

 

As mentioned above, I'd be far more concerned about playing a track which featured swearing, or promoting drugs etc, than what the artist has been upto.

 

A previous topic, along the same lines, here on DJU can be found here.

Edited November 22, 2005 by Gary

[mick 0]

No - Won't play his stuff, and have never been asked for it.

I would be embarrassed to do so considering what he is up to - Mick

[centrestagediscos 0]

its a no for me, especially as he seems to think its normal to go from countrt to country getting his vile kicks.

[jeffwall 0]

Nope me neither.....his behavior is disgraceful and wouldnt give anybody a reason to think of him on a special night like wedding/birthday etc

 

never get asked though to be honest, if i were to be asked by the party person, mmmmm dont know?

 

But respect/nothing against those who would.....fair enuff

[exbutlinred82 0]

What we want really is ronan keating to re-release it.

 

 

 

 

Fat chance.

 

 

 

Incidentally leader is a great track to split up the room and get them singing against each other.

 

 

I have played it a number of times and about one in five times it offends some depressing old ****head.

 

 

 

Most of my lot don't know its gg.

 

Edited November 22, 2005 by Gary

[chrismk 0]

QUOTE (Dynamicdiscos @ Nov 22 2005, 12:03 PM)

I still play him and Michael Jackson

No I wont play slitters music but will Wacko Jackson, still to be convicted if any....

[transeurope 0]

I don't play his music because it hurts badly people who have been already hurt badly.

 

Some people who have been abused feel that society doesn't take their plight seriously enough and I would personally feel uncomfortable adding to that feeling.

 

I still play Michael Jackson, because as Chrismk has pointed out he has not been found guilty of anything.

 

A civilised society doesn't have DJs going around as judge, jury and executioner, even though personally I would take a dim view of Mr Jackson, but one can only hope that the court saw things that we didn't.

[C.S 0]

Do you guys also play Jerry Lee lewis, the beatles , rolling stones, elvis,robbie,oasis etc etc etc ? because they also got caught doing things that hurt people.

Edited November 23, 2005 by C.S

[centrestagediscos 0]

the thing is c.s. imho a crime of that nature against children is the very worst offence imaginable and without going to political i would welcome the return of the death penalty for anybody convicted of these crimes.

[C.S 0]

I have 2 children and at the moment i am working with absused children from russian orphanages trying to get them integrated into normal society so i see this kind of damage. My point is Jerry lee lewis married his 14 year old cousin,the stones and beatles were drug abusers as were robbie and oasis amongst hundreds of others. erol flynn was a well known sex offender but people still watch his movies. Do you condone a perverse and criminal act by playing music by artists who have comitted a criminal offense ?. I dont think you do.Phil spector will be sentenced for murder, how many records in your collection were either produced,written , financed by johnathan king ? or r kelly ? My point is if as djs we are going to decide what records to play by the private behavior of artists then we are going to spend a lot of time doing background checks on artists and i just hope you have a lot of crazy frog cds .....oops the guy who invented crazyfrog just got done for possesion in Stockholm

Edited November 23, 2005 by C.S

[treen74 0]

Hope he burns in hell http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/188.gif

[Kingy 0]

The only track that I play is the Rock & Roll Christmas one.

 

Its in a mix I use from years ago and works well.

 

Who am I to express my dislike of Mr Glitter. As much as I detest what he has been doing, its not up to me to air my view to the public. They are free to make up their own minds.

 

I simply dont play the other hits he has had because I dont feel they add anything to what I already play.

 

We have to thank all those civil liberty types for the courts poor powers of punishment. This country is in such a mess.

[Splosh 0]

Hmmmm I feel a Splosh conflicting view coming on here!!!!!!!!! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wacko.gif

 

This I feel is actually a very difficult subject, and too be honest I feel it goes for a number of other artists and producers such as Jacko and Jonathan King (yep, got asked for it last week - Una Paloma Blanca).........

 

The fact is that all of these three blokes have been associated with bad things, granted not all have been convicted - wacko- but lets face it if we are ever talking about Glittler, King, Jacko and as someone quite rightly said - Mr Lee Lewis, we as pro's and the public at large will remember them for the media coverage they have had.......

 

Although paedophillia is cream of the crop, we have to accept that we as DJ's also advertise drug taking, murder and underage sex with some of the music we play.....

Kurt Cobain was a druggy, as was Johhny Rotten, David Bowie etc...... the list goes on and on, and although as I sad Paedophillia is pretty much the top of the bad list, these other illegal acts are also being pushed on us through music....

 

For crying out loud, Clapton released the song Cocaine and Roxette released Joyride!!!!! And we all brought them and took them to almost the top of the charts!!!

Look at Phil Spector!!!!!!!!! - Enough said......

 

 

It is all down to DJs and their customers personal preferences, and i sympathise with the guy who said he played it at a party and then got a bit of an earful after....

 

For me personally, I try to look at the artist for the music that he or she has produced instead of what they might have done privately but have to be concious that I could offend people. ( I dont for one minute like what people like King and Glitter did - I work with kids in my main jobs and find it almost sickening sometimes)

 

It is totally down to us as pro's to think before we play, I for one refuse to play T'Spoon's Sex on the Beach at a party with children, even tho when it got released I was bugged and bugged and bugeed for it - if i remember i actually lost two bookings over it as two parents saw that I had it but wouldn't play it for their 10yr olds birthday party!!!!!!! If someone when discussing their requirements asks me for party bits and pieces, I will ask them about Glitter and Jacko, sounds silly, but would rather be known for being cautious than not, espeically when it comes to something as sensitive as peodaphillia.....

 

 

I know that I have not really given a direct answer to the original topic, but Ijust needed to mumble my views and what was in my head..... http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif

 

Splosh

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[transeurope 0]

CS my criteria anyway was the amount of hurt it would cause to a victim of abuse.

 

I think putting drug abuse into the same category is frankly ludicrous especially when it is celebrity drug abuse. If you have arguments that would persuade me to view the Beatles smoking a spliff in Buck House in the same way as child abuse, I would be interested to hear them.

 

As regards Jonathan King, no I don't play his records either. It would make me feel personally uncomfortable playing a record that he was a financial beneficiary of, but I doubt it would cause the same kind of reaction in an abuse victim as hearing the artist himself, which is almost a taunt.

 

Child abuse victims willing to share this opinon on this topic of playing tunes financed by an offender are welcome to make their views known to me on this either on the forum or by PM, if I am wrong.

 

As regards Jerry Lee Lewis, I think you have to bring the "cultural norm" argument into play there. The establishment condones a lot of things that are wrong. Until such time as people are educated in the harm they do, I do not view their offence as personally objectionable as someone who comes from a culture like the UK where great steps are taken to explain the long-term consequences of an act of apparent mutual consent.

 

The whole of Europe has put a lot of money and social effort into educating people, ignorance is not a defence here and now. I think it may have been in Jerry Lee Lewis's case.

 

I do not play R Kelly's records.

 

I do play records that address the anger and frustration of people in ghetto life. Again I don't put that in the same category at all. If you wish to persuade me, please do.

[C.S 0]

Transeurope , I am not going to get into an argument with you and i am sorry that you find my comments ludicrous,luckily i do have respect for you and will not comment on your opinions other than to say ... I am sure that every parent whose child died after a life of hell because they first tried drugs because robbie, john ,jimi, liam or whoever celeb did it (so its cool) would find your amusing reference to the beatles smoking a spliff at buck house as awful as i do. Child abuse is the worse, agreed, drug abuse is as bad in my book especialy when our modern day idols treat it as an item of fashion. Whole families torn apart as parents and siblings fight to save a brother or sister who steals ,lies and cheats his own blood until it reaches its inevitable end. Celebities are idols and many fans copy their behavior. I meet child abuse everyday in the job mentioned in my previous post,if you really want to know about child abuse then pm me and i will tell you things that will make you sick. I can promise you that you wont ever have a positive thought about anything russian again.

Jerry lee lewis knew what he was doing,there were protests wherever he went.

This particular kind of thread always causes problems because where do you draw the line ? What artists are ok to play and which are not. Who decides? I have no wish to pursuade anyone of anything, you have your opinions i have mine,I only know when i get up in the morning that most of my day will be spent trying to help someone over the very problems we talk about.

Edited November 23, 2005 by C.S

[Splosh 0]

Same Here...............

[transeurope 0]

Well CS, we all have to try and do what is right by our values. Thanks for your kind words about me.

 

 

I welcome your attempt to try and change my mind on the Beatles/Oasis issue, thanks for answering that but try and understand where I am coming from.

 

Child enters a chatroom. Makes arrangement to meet a stranger promising sweets/job/meeting with god whatever. Ends up in slavery for life.

 

Or indeed the other more common scenario, how do I tell mummy what Uncle Bob did to me? "wicked child...."

 

OR

 

Young adult watches pop video. Forms impression drugs are cool. Takes a spliff. Moves onto hard drugs. Dies. That is the common scenario there.

 

I know some people die from a softer drug but so does everyone else also. We are told endlessly about it.

 

I can't see that in the same light. That doesn't work for me.

 

Sure both are tragedies, but we have to believe in self-responsibility too. Are people not told umpteen times a day of the risks of drugs? Don't we go to enormous trouble to ensure that this is done in a way that is culturally palletable to people of all backgrounds, races, classes, ages?

 

Just don't see it.

 

Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

 

What can I say? I really don't see this.

 

I could go on in a very long post, but it comes down to we are here as DJs to bring joy to peoples' lives. We also live in liberal democracies where we leave adult people free to make their own choices. To cherish the freedom that has taken centuries to establish we go to enormous lengths to educate people and to support people. We give people voices and leave them express their opinions and choices.

 

As it stands, I will not censor the ghetto people who lead lives that make me almost ashamed of my privilege. That's a big no no to me.

 

I will not play songs however that I can see as almost taunts to a victim of child abuse "Una Paloma Blanca" is so kiddy it is sick when you know the background. "Do you wanna be in my gang", can you imagine how that sounds to someone who was dismissed by mummy as a "wicked child"?

 

You ask me where do I draw the line in not playing music? I draw the line at censoring songs that direct life choices at people who are old enough and educated enough to make their own choices I guess. I play songs advocating fast driving come to think of it, which is something I don't approve of and can make a victim of a completley innocent person. But I don't play songs that I perceive as taunting deliberately a victim.

 

It is an important issue, genuinely I feel that. This is the bread and butter of making DJing a more professional industry. Which is supposed to be what this forum is all about.

 

So if you want to hit me back with more, then please do. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif

 

[C.S 0]

This is my last post on this thread, the examples you give of child abuse and drug abuse do not come anywhere close to my experiences . The abuse scenarios you chose are only a tiny part of it. You highlight the beatles \oasis mild drug abuse but not Pete Doherty\hendrix\morrison hard drugs. I have personaly suffered abuse as a child and lost a family member to drugs and one to alcohol but these are different stories that i chose not to share here. You talk of ghetto people ,i dont know what you are talking about because people who live in the ghettos of the world have no oppurtunity to release music. I have no wish to change your opinions or values,play what you want. As a professional dj i play what i get paid to play without trying to push my personal opinions onto my customers . My customers pay me to entertain them not moralise to them.

Edited November 24, 2005 by C.S