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  10. Djing Seems Better Since 1 July

    in D.J and Karaoke Chat

    Posted · Edited by NiM

    (for some reason my quotes broke, hence the backwards way of doing it - damn forum)

     

     

     

    Quote From NRG Roadshow

     

    Heroin, Crack Cocain, Chrystal Meth, Methamphetamine....theirs 4....Need I continue?

     

    How do they directly harm people that don't take the drug

     

     

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    The only reason that statistcaly it kills less people than cigarettes is because the above are illegal and cigarettes are legal, and they are legal because they are nowhere near as harmfull as the above drugs.

     

    But ask yourself why it's legal, do you think that if Ciggies were suddenly discovered today they would be allowed to be sold? I don't think so personally..

     

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    And a drug which causes far more problems than any of the above....

    Alcohol.........But funnily enough thats still legal.

     

    Not actually true, alcohol doesn't directly harm people around you.. The actions of someone drinking may harm them, but not alcohol itself..

     

    According to ONS in 2005:

     

    Deaths directly linked to Alcohol 6,627

    Deaths directly linked to Tobacco 86,500

     

    This was taken from information on the death certificate

     

     

    Quote From NRG Roadshow

    And you didnt answer my question about what money is pumped back into the NHS.....

     

    I did, I told you to look at the ASH website, the figures match alot closer to information that is actually available in my day to day job..

     

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    How can an anti-smoking organisation be unbiased in their figuires....they are an Anti-smoking organisation?

     

    Easy, they don't need to lie - the argument is on their side..

     

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    What action am I taking.....well Im ignoring the ban wherever I think I can get away with it for a start.

     

    Thats not actually action though is it? That's just being stubborn..

     

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    And I just read this on the FOREST website....10,000 people surveyed before the ban came into force....

     

    Can you tell me how evenly spread the mix of people was (from all over the country) - the background of the people (ie ethnic, class, employment status, age etc)

     

     

    Because you know, 100% of the people:cense: I spoke to today were for the smoking ban..

     

    :cense: 2 smokers in my local pub

     

    Incidently, the last point in your forest stats quote I mentioned earlier, but you failed to comment on that..

  11. Djing Seems Better Since 1 July

    in D.J and Karaoke Chat

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    But you said it was overated.. It's not.. TBH I can't see the difference between smoking around someone who then develops a smoking related illness and murder.. Except it's slower, usually..

     

    Use the figures that ASH provide, for an anti-smoking organisation they are seriously unbiased.. Never trust the media, it's full of lies..

     

    Also, you didn't answer my question about what action you are taking in the fight against this ban...

  13. Djing Seems Better Since 1 July

    in D.J and Karaoke Chat

    Posted · Edited by NiM

    What we should have been given is the freedom of choice to either go to a smoking pub, or go to a non-smoking pub.

     

    Apologies if this has already been posted (I can't be bothered to read 12 pages!), but hasn't there always been an option for a pub to be non-smoking? Most don't because the smoking pubs would then take their money. Although I don't agree with the ban, I can see why a blanket ban has come into play..

     

    well Im prepared to fight the ban, I just wish thier was more people like me prepared to stand up for what they belive in.

     

    Errr, apart from smoking in your work van, and posting on DJ forums what exactly are you doing to fight this ban? I remember you gave me a hard time when I worked with the people from where I work that were introducing a smoking ban (making it fairer to smokers).. That was action, posting on DJ forums isn't.. IMO..

     

    The passive smoking thing is massively overated and the figuires are polished to make it look much worse than it really is.

     

    I don't want to seem to be picking on you, but open your eyes mate.. Passive smoking isn't massively overated, it's a big killer - you seriously cannot be that naive.. And anti smoking figures aren't the only ones to be polished.. The figures you quoted about smoking and money into the NHS are slightly different to what is actually going into the NHS..

     

    Oh, and remember I polish figures for the NHS for a living :P

  23. Djing Seems Better Since 1 July

    in D.J and Karaoke Chat

    Posted · Edited by NiM

    That was my argument elsewhere steve and I got shot down in flames.

     

    I can see the positive reasons for the ban and woo, yeah good.. But I don't like the fact the choice has been taken away from the public/businesses. Surely there must have been a way of giving an incentive for providing a non-smoking pub/bars/clubs/whatever (ie lower tax or whatever) and then punishing (for want of a better word) the pubs/bars/clubs/whatever for being a smoking pub? Slightly fairer..

     

    i just love the fact that alot of landlords have invested a fair chunk into turning an area outside into a smoking area, putting up some kind of shelter and heaters and what not but the insides are generally the same.. My local even has the smoking bar staff (schmoking!) come out and take our orders and money, go inside, pour the drinks up and then bring them out to us.. But only for smokers ;)

     

    And why do the non-smokers complain if they are sitting in the "smoking shelter" and we light up?

     

    I will enjoy the warm inside this winter lol....

     

    I will enjoy the warm outside, standing next to a toasty heater whilst getting the barmaid coming out and taking orders and then delivering drinks.. You poor non-smokers have to get your own..

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