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#16 kazzachi

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 01:23 PM

im not talking kids parties - Id take you to the grown up stuff!!! 071.gif
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Posted 18 August 2003 - 01:55 PM

True - Spindoctor had a machine gun at the ready, I put pins on the seats!!!! biggrin.gif

No, really, I think we are all in agreement that we give our best - or to put another way, if we didn't, we wouldn't be working as entertainers.

Take, for example the mid 90s. I was actually working more nights and doing more Weddings (through an agency) than now, as an independant. (And holding down a fulltime job at the time)

I used to think that the time I spent with the agencies was a 'waste' because I wasn't building my own name and reputation, however, the experience was extremely valuable.
Independant since 1997-98 though, has been a challenge, and I can't complain from the repeat work or testimonials.

It makes me laugh though, when a client books an expensive venue, say a hotel and then some, and the invited guests are fed and watered - but can't be bothered to make an effort to celebrate the traditional "best day of someone's life". I strongly think that todays Wedding is unappreciated and too common for some social circles.
Ever heard guests comparing Weddings they've attended? Or whinged that someone else's function was more lavish or 'wonderful'? How sad.

Weddings in different areas of the Country, I think, will also be a critical factor in entertainment.
I attended a Wedding in Blackpool a few years back and was surprised at what the main guests were into. Then, it was 70's, Soul and what I'd call 'cheese'.
(Slightly different viewpoint, Scotland's dance scene/club scene was still Hardcore Rave and D&B - at least 3-4 years after the main commercial bubble had burst.)
Another Wedding in Hull - and it was virtually Country and 70's allnight!
Southend - cheese, soul 70's and 80's.
Basildon - everything from 60's - 80's, cheese-pop, 90's dance etc..
Kensington - soul, 80's and cheese-pop
Isle of White - bit of everything
Middlesex - bit of everything


Ever found that the 'cheapo' function - be it a Wedding, Birthday, Club or Anniversary gig goes brilliant?
Because EVERY function is different, we take our knowledge and cater for the similar or typical - that's what experience is for. The unexpected keeps us on our toes - that's what experience is also for.
As there is no strict rule of thumb for such varied functions - our uniqueness and individuality sets us aside from one another - and a good job that it does!

I know a young vocalist (female) who is booked for her 'huge charms' and 'sultry looks' - her singing talent is pretty dire, but she is popular!!
Another DJ I know has all the gear, all the sounds, loads of experience, etc....but LOSES a lot of repeat work through shabby dress sense and personal hygene - he generally smells of B.O. and looks like a tramp. His entertainment skills are still very, very good. Many people (including me) over the years have tried to be polite and drop him hints, make light suggestions and even blunt remarks. His attitude, and yet not surprisingly, is "I work censored.gif hard etc, etc, and have been doing this for years!"

Imagine this - we all DJ entertain to the very SAME crowd on different nights.....how do you think it would reflect? 533.gif
In real terms - crowd reading is a peoples-relation and communication skill. If you are good at that - whether people sit down all night and have a good time or dance all night and have a good time - you're doing fine.
What I'm trying to say in a long winded way is if people do not choose to dance - they will not. Even if you was Todd Terry, Paul Van Dyke, Pete Tong or Les Battersby! laugh.gif

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 02:01 PM

ah Les Battersby...... the Djs DJ!...... Yuk, I dont know if I could tell anybody that they had a body odour problem! They were discussing this on the radio the other day..... you would have to have some cojonnes to do it!!! sad.gif
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Posted 18 August 2003 - 02:03 PM

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They were discussing this on the radio the other day.....

was that in between jingles? biggrin.gif
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Posted 18 August 2003 - 02:06 PM

LOL! Yes Paula I believe it was...... mind you the discussion between the radio jocks was very strange... one was mentioning B.O whilst the other was announcing the buffet!! 071.gif
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Posted 18 August 2003 - 02:10 PM

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 05:10 PM

I gotta admire you kazzachi, if you can get them up all night! I've done a goodly number of functions - discos, weddings, birthdays etc - my experience has largely been that not too many will get up and boogie until they've had a few jars - and at a lot of functions, people just want to chat and socialise a lot. I also have to laugh (or I'd cry) when you've just done a storming half hour of Motown, and some swine lurches up and says "play some Motown love, that'll get them up!"
I'm told I'm pretty good at that sort of thing, so I don't think I'm playing the wrong stuff.
Anyway - it always depends on the mood/crowd/temperature - i play a techno set in a local pub every month, and sometimes they hammer away and love it. Others they sit in the garden all night and I think it's been dreadful - then they all wander through going "great set - really bangin', loved it..." ...didn't bloomin' dance tho!
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Posted 18 August 2003 - 08:34 PM

the point I am trying to make is that at mixed age range functions - you know, weddings, anni's and birthdays, It is so easy to keep your floor full.... If kids are there then play to them first... they dont need a drink - and cant get one! - to get up on the floor - then play to the duffers -who like kids, are confident enough to enjoy a dance without the aid of a pint of two! By the time you have played to the peeps who dont need an alcoholic "crutch" before they can let go and enjoy themselves, you will have played everything that they probably wouldnt want to dance to anyhow, and by this time, they will be sozzled enough to have the confidence to get up!. I think if you go in with the attitude that nobody will be interested until the last couple of hours then you wont really be bothered and are already defeated! I can only say that the formula I use at functions works well for me... It has taken me 13 years to get where I am and have not always had the confidence that Ihave today. When I was learning then I probably would have agreed that people dont get up til the end - but I seriously dont get this at my gigs
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#24 Dukesy

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 08:56 PM

This is really interesting stuff, and I hope the budding DJ's take note that not all gigs are bad. biggrin.gif

DJ Entertainment is a learning curve field of work, where you learn from every function. laugh.gif

As an ex-club DJ (6yrs), I can say that club style gigs, where people make the effort and know what to expect - life was easier!!! smile.gif

As for the overall wedding approach, many of the DJ's on the forum have many stories and experiences to share if you need advice, technical advice or confidence building.

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#25 Ian Stewart

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 09:06 PM

Kazz,

I think you know that I am in complete agreement with you on this one, any DJ that accepts that no one will dance for the last 2 hours is not doing their job, you should be working the room to some capacity from the moment the guest arrive, even if they are tapping their feet and nodding their heads.

if you play the right song they will dance, no matter what the time, as a dj it is your job to find that song.

On so many occassions I hear DJ's stating that I played everything and no one danced, what rubbish it that means is that you did not play the right song, lets face it no one attends a party with the intention of having a miserable time. and before any says anything it has happened to me, but I look within my own performance rather then blame them.

at a wedding as Kazz says the kids will be there, so play to them 1st, then the wrinklies who will leave the party early anyway, so play to them then take it from there.

too many DJ's get lazy, they have pre-prepared playlist on PC, CD or mini disc to take them up to the buffet, then play the same songs at every function (which will work most of the time), but when it doesnot work don't have a plan B or C or D

so to summarise, all ways try & get them up dancing asap, and keep them there


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Posted 18 August 2003 - 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Ian Stewart @ Aug 18 2003, 10:06 PM)
I hear DJ's stating that I played everything and no one danced, what rubbish it that means is that you did not play the right song, lets face it no one attends a party with the intention of having a miserable time. and before any says anything it has happened to me, but I look within my own performance rather then blame them.


I do agree with all your points except 1 i really have had a couple of dos when i have played, then practacally begged for music that they want and still nobody danced, i have never had anybody dance the whole night but a few times its been very very hard.

Ian im sure you have had moments when this has been the case! yes we are defanatally sometimes to blame as dj i know myself i have on some very rare occasions not given 100% but i know when this.

And a dj should give 100% as kazz say's That is what we get paid for.
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Posted 19 August 2003 - 09:07 AM

Loads of excellent comment - I still assert that there're uncooperative crowds out there, god love 'em but actually, the biggest key to success, once you know which knobs to twiddle, is to enjoy yourself and look like you are! Whatever you play, whichever kind of DJ you are - bloody enjoy it, and that makes a real difference.
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You can be as technically proficient as you like - if you're a miserable begger in your presentation, you're in the wrong job. (Like those taxi drivers that so obviously don't like other people in their cars...) ;-)

There's nothing designed to make dancing harder work than the disc-spinner having a face like a slapped ...er ...bottom (so to speak) tongue.gif
Anyway - all gigs are excellent experience, and yeah - if you're serious about what you do, you work it from the moment the first tune plays.

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Posted 19 August 2003 - 09:21 AM

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Fair Play and Fair Comment to everybody elses opinions, but I do agree that there are certainly un-co operative crowds out there. Maybe it's a locality thing?? smile.gif .

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if you're a miserable begger in your presentation, you're in the wrong job. (Like those taxi drivers that so obviously don't like other people in their cars...)


Yes, and you (and your crowd) can still enjoy yourself even if you haven't got a full dancefloor. I must admit that I never dance when I'm a guest at a function, and NOBODY on this forum would persuade me otherwise - no matter how professional a D.J they were smile.gif . Unlike Taxi Drivers we have a huge advantage - we don't need to swill out our back seats every Friday / Saturday Night tongue.gif

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Posted 19 August 2003 - 09:29 AM

of course we get unco-operative crowds and I say again, I dont always manage to keep my floor full..... but it is not often that the crowd are unresponsive! Im only a humble DJ - not a magician so obviously I cant work my magic on everyone!
Think its time for a change of thread here to be honest.... I think that the obvious has been stated a few too many times, so why dont we hear some of the ideas that you have for trying to entice a miserable crowd up.... what do you do! 533.gif


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Posted 19 August 2003 - 09:52 AM

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I must admit that I never dance when I'm a guest at a function, and NOBODY on this forum would persuade me otherwise


Sounds like a challenge Kazz, you have to get him doing the actions to something.......................

Failing that i'm gonna have to put it in my will for the wake that Chris WILL dance at least once!!

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