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The Client will count the number of times that you play a Download, including while you are offline, for royalty accounting and analysis purposes.

 

The above is taken from the Napster terms and conditions.

 

If we are already paying for the royalty when buying a download track then why are we being asked to pay again?

 

Jimbo

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The new MCPS licence is about collecting royalties

 

Napster by making the above statement in its terms and conditions in its download service are taking the resposibility for paying the royalty.

 

IF... this is so then why are we being asked to pay twice when all we have to do is join napster for unlimited downloads for £15 a month and they pay all the royalties.

 

no need to convert media no need for MCPS to collect Dj Licence fees

 

Out goes the PPL and the MCPS licence?

 

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Well yes.....but the license PPL introduced is for the DJs wishing to 'back-up' original CD tracks to the hard drive, you don't need the license for the downloads from the UK (legit, or should I say 'endorsed') download sites.

 

So if you download music tracks from I-tunes, Napster, Tesco, Woolies, etc, you don't need the current license.

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QUOTE (Jimbo55 @ Mar 21 2006, 08:45 AM)
The Client will count the number of times that you play a Download, including while you are offline, for royalty accounting and analysis purposes.

I think what this is connected to is the main royalties "pot" that many many sources/licenses pay into.

 

How the money in that pot is divided up between the thousands of different artists is worked out by collecting data on number of plays. This data is gathered by PPL turning up at mobile discos writting down which artists are being played, playlists from radio stations, and, perhaps from Napster and other on-line suppliers and DRM controlled files.

 

Even the Digital DJ License has a clause which states that the licensee holder "might" be asked to provide a list of what they played - which would just go toward the same figures for dividing that cash pot - rather than there being any double paying of royalties.

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What the PPL licence covers is quite clear so if we do download then thats the PPL licence done and dusted.

 

What the MCPS is proposing I am assuming would cover the use of legally obtained tracks wether it be from CD or downloaded being used in a public performance.

 

SO........ At the moment it is financially advantageous (cor, big words http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/rolleyes.gif )

for us to convert our exsiting cd etc to mp3 etc because it is free (apart from time taken doing it). BUT the PPL say that if we do not renew our Licence we have to dump all our tracks...Napster say we lose the rights to keep the music if we dont keep up the subscription.

 

SO......... Pay PPL about £250 a year for the right to stay a legal And the cost of the MCPS licence to allow us to do it in public. Pus the cost of new music

 

OR........Subscribe to a download service For about £180 a year and have access to the majority of music that you will ever need plus the MCPS licence (maybe)

 

 

So why have the PPL licence inthe first place when we can pay £15 a month for the music and have access to over 2,000,000 tracks?

 

Jimbo

 

 

 

 

 

 

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so if you pay £180 a year and download all the music that you already have on cd and you can download all the new cds that are coming out, you do not need a licence?

so how much do we spend on cds a year i must be over £200 a year so you may has well do it that way than make someones pocket bigger

 

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So why have the PPL licence inthe first place when we can pay £15 a month for the music and have access to over 2,000,000 tracks?

 

The problem is that not everyone can make use of DRM protected WMAs that you get from Napster. My software of choice (the original PCDJ red) will not read them.

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Wasn't aware of that.

 

But surely it can't be right that you can pay £15 a month for unlimited access to any music you want???

 

I mean it goes well against the normal "screw us for every penny we have" attitude that the various authorities seem to have with regard to the PPL/MCPS licensing...

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A worrying aspect of all this shananigans is that it lends itself to corruption and collusion between software/hardware vendors and the music industry.

e.g. from above -PCDJ doesn't read it, but OTS does - pushing you in a possibly unintended direction.

 

And this bit really got me:

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It has also emerged that Jukka Liedes, one of the officials behind the law, is a director of a subsidiary of Gramex - Finland's equivalent of the RIAA.

Jeez, does Finland have no "Declaration of Interests" procedure in their parliament.

That one really stinks.

 

I think you got it in one, we ARE too soft in UK.

We just roll over and put all fours up in the air every time any quasi-official body flexes its muscles.

 

How often do you hear people make that pathetic cry "But what can we do?"

 

Hell, if this was France, we'd have DJ's blockading the ports, blockading the motorways, tipping container loads of CD's into the docks, playing loud music non-stop outside every government building day and night, protest marching through Paris (in the springtime), even taking strike action!

 

ooh . . . err, did I maybe go a little bit overboard with emotions there? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/oops.gif

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tipping container loads of CD's into the docks

 

I've suddenly found a use for all of those Chico CD's!!!!!! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/tongue.gif

 

But you are absolutely right

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otsdj does though.

 

Am I missing something then? I downloaded the otsdj demo but it wouldn't even 'see' my .wma napster downloads. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/sad.gif

 

This is why I'm looking at pcdj blue vrm.

( what is the difference between the blue and red pcdj, apart from £60 ?) http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif

 

To be honest I think I'd rather go with otsdj (from what I've read from you guys) but because my only 'digital' music on the pc is napster downloads I was under the impression I couldn't. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wacko.gif

 

 

 

 

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