Steve_Mitchell 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Hi, I use a Shure sm58 with a switch with a Berhinger VMX1000. Cos its has low impedance I have to have my Mic Vol on 0 and my master on 3/4 and when I speak my Mic is still far to loud. Does anybody else use these 2 together? Can anybody advise Regards Steve http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wallbash.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wallbash.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wallbash.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/bash.gif Steve 5 European cups and 18 leagues, that`s what we call history. Link to post Share on other sites
jackcu 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 I can't find the input spec for the mic channels on this mixer but I assume they are low impedence, so it's strange that you are getting this problem. Are you simply running an XLR to XLR cable from the SM58 to the mic input? Have you tried a different mic? Cheers, Jack. Link to post Share on other sites
Steve_Mitchell 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 QUOTE (jackcu @ May 3 2005, 01:56 PM) I can't find the input spec for the mic channels on this mixer but I assume they are low impedence, so it's strange that you are getting this problem. Are you simply running an XLR to XLR cable from the SM58 to the mic input? Have you tried a different mic? Cheers, Jack. Yea XLR-XLR. Not tried any-other mic. I have 2 sm58`s switched and un-switched. When my tune finishes everyone puts there hands on there ears. Its a nightmere. Steve 5 European cups and 18 leagues, that`s what we call history. Link to post Share on other sites
jackcu 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 I'm baffled Steve - the inputs should be designed for low impedance mics. Can you borrow a different mic / cable? Cheers, Jack. Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Does adjusting the mic gain/volume control do ANYTHING to the outputted mic level? One thing that is often not expected is that most faders and rotary pots on analogue mixers are not boosting a low signal passing through them, they are actually attenuators, reducing a loud/strong signal eg: maximum reduction is acheived whilst the fader is down, then less and less reduction is offered the higher you push the fader. So...if the mic fader (or gain control) fails in a certain way, you get ZERO reduction and therefore MAXIMUM volume through the channel. If the mixer mic control has failed, there'll be nothing reducing the mic signal, which means that there'll be no increase in mic volume if you turn up the mic control. Have you tried this? The only other option is overall system balancing. eg: bring the master volume on the mixer down to say 40% and turn the music channels UP if you can. This way the mic and the music will be at similar levels to each other. Link to post Share on other sites
shifty 0 Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 I use the same set up as a back up and have the same problem. To combat this I turn the master volume to the 12 o 'clock postion and use the line trims to up the output volume. This way I have found that I have more control over the mic volume. Hope this is of help. www.thepartypeople.org.uk Link to post Share on other sites
DJ SPARKO 0 Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 use the talk button on the channel when speaking as it automatically dims the volume of the music and produces the power to the mike upon hoe loud you have got the channel fader Also i use XLR-XLR on this mixer and have no troble. Hve you had a play with the mic equalisers as this does have an effect still learning, still experiencing, still dj,ing Link to post Share on other sites
Kingy 0 Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Must admit, I have the same problem when using this mixer! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/thumbdown.gif I am going to make an attenuated lead to use with it, simply put a 47k resitor in both phase and anti phase (but not earth!!!) to give you more control. Only use it on this application. Hope it helps. Link to post Share on other sites
Steve_Mitchell 0 Posted May 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Cheers Lads lots of tips from you all. I`ll have a play on Friday & Sat and let you know the outcome on Monday.. Ste http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/thanks.gif Steve 5 European cups and 18 leagues, that`s what we call history. Link to post Share on other sites
jackcu 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 good luck - seems quite a few other peeps are experiencing the same thing - weird. Link to post Share on other sites
Dynamicdiscos 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 I have a VMX100 mixer and find I have the similar problems. I would suspect this is a mixer problem. Why don't we start making hellium filled bubble wrap?<P> It would help keep postage costs down. Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 I've taken a look through the Behringer manual for the VMX1000, and also the Shure website, and have come up with 2 potential solutions. 1) Shure (and several other people) make an impedence transformer/adaptor, which plugs inbetween the mic and the mixer, reducing the signal level. The downside is that these adaptors are often 4 or 5 inches long, which would give me concerns of physical stress on the mic input socket. So maybe use the adaptor, in-line, on an extension lead. 2) The VMX1000 mixer has an Auxilury send/return socket and level control on the mic channels. Ideally these would be used for applying echo/reverb to the mic channel BUT what if you ran a mono equaliser (cheapo 5 band one would do) on those send/return sockets, with all the faders pulled down (normally MINUS -6db or -12db). Would this possibly reduce the MAIN level of the mic? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif If it did, it would also mean that you've then got better mic eq too. Link to post Share on other sites
Steve_Mitchell 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hi lads Went to see my local electronic chap today. He also suggested the same thing as Kingy, to put a resistor in the mic. So he did, although Kingy suggested putting a 47k in, the electronic chap advised putting a 100k in as my mic gain on my vmx1000 is on 0. I`ll be using it tomorrow (fri) so i`ll let you all know on Sat.... Fingers crossed Ste. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif Steve 5 European cups and 18 leagues, that`s what we call history. Link to post Share on other sites
jeffwall 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Hello everybody just joined...Am a mate of Steve Michell's and having exact same problem as steve. The beringer mixer mic gain is too high and blows the house even when on zero. The master is usually on 1 oclock and mic on zero (still too loud) but i cope by constantly ajusting master when i speak..(pain to be honest) Ste has it worse as he 'clubs' it on weekend so his master will be higher than my medium volume private gigs. I have heard this is an inherant prob with vmx1000 Regards jeff Link to post Share on other sites
Steve_Mitchell 0 Posted May 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2005 Welcome DJ Jeff http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/Welcome.gif Steve 5 European cups and 18 leagues, that`s what we call history. Link to post Share on other sites
Kingy 0 Posted May 6, 2005 Report Share Posted May 6, 2005 QUOTE (stevemitchell @ May 5 2005, 05:50 PM) Hi lads Went to see my local electronic chap today. He also suggested the same thing as Kingy, to put a resistor in the mic. So he did, although Kingy suggested putting a 47k in, the electronic chap advised putting a 100k in as my mic gain on my vmx1000 is on 0. I`ll be using it tomorrow (fri) so i`ll let you all know on Sat.... Fingers crossed Ste. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif Putting a 100K in just the hot line would do the same, however, it would be better done by doing it with both the hot and cold. Its to do with impedance rather than a pure resistance. This can be fitted carefully in an XLR plug, low attage resisters are fine. Whatever matches you load............. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/whistling.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Steve_Mitchell 0 Posted May 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted May 7, 2005 Lads Ive done it http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif Got my 100k resistor in mic and it is perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now I have my vmx1000 master on 3/4 and my mic gain is just less than 1/2.. Excellent am now buzzin.... Thanks for help boys and big thanks to Kingy for the idea Ste http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/beer.gif Steve 5 European cups and 18 leagues, that`s what we call history. Link to post Share on other sites
jeffwall 0 Posted May 8, 2005 Report Share Posted May 8, 2005 Well done ste, cracked it!! Im off to Rogers soon as he is open to get mine fitted on me peavey PVi Talk to you in week Jeff Link to post Share on other sites
jackcu 0 Posted May 10, 2005 Report Share Posted May 10, 2005 Glad to hear you've got it sorted Steve - Kudos to Kingy. Still weird though - what kind of mics are NOT going to have problems with this mixer? Cheers, Jack. Link to post Share on other sites
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