mark_richards 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Hi All I have been reading up on beatmatching CD's, sounds like it's just a case of practise. However the prolem I have is that everywhere says "Listen to the song playing, then cue the next song in your headphones and match the beats. The thing is i don't think i will be able to hear the song clear enough in my phones with them on one ear, and playing the 2 songs together on the headphones can just sound like a noise!! I think this is more to do with the fact that I am only using a cheap pair of phones....so can anybody recomend any headphones that are great for the mobile DJ?? By the way I am using a Numark CDMix 1. Thanks Mark http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/thanks.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Firstly, I dont think we've "spoken" before, so... http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/Welcome.gif to DJU. Headphones effectly have two primary characteristics, they allow you to hear what you're cueing, and they also try to isolate you, by blocking out ambient sound (eg: the sounds that are going on around you, such as the speakers which the audience are listening to) - depending on the situations you mix in. If you cant hear whats playing through your current headphones, then either their sensitivity isnt quite right for the headphone output from the mixer, or the mixer isnt putting out much output. You can get headphone amplifiers which "listen" to your mixers headphone output, and boost it, but a different pair of headphones may be all you need. As an entry-level make/model, try Behringers HPX2000s' £25~£30. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 QUOTE can anybody recomend any headphones that are great for the mobile DJ?? Yes but you wont like the price... however they will last you a life time 101% worth every penny and are about as good as you can get for mobile and club DJ work.... Headphones Link <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
Dj_Kray 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 You are right in thinking that good headphones will help with beat mixing, that and lots of practice i remember at first thinking i would never get it, but now its as easy as walking in fact easyer as i can still mix drunk http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/pepsi.gif the headphones marky marc mention are great i find them a little too light weght for me i have been using the pionner hd1000s but are also quite expensive but they are the tool of my trade and only the best will do . Link to post Share on other sites
brianmole 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 Where are you based Mark? I found the way to learn is to get a hands on from an expert. I am sure we could show you the basics. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif Marky Mark is spot on with good headphones. Cheapies are next to useless for this task. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 I think the man is in essex some place... we should have a DJU night some place and teach the basics of beat mixing to those who wish to learn... <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
brianmole 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 QUOTE (DJ Marky Marc @ Mar 9 2006, 06:02 PM) I think the man is in essex some place... we should have a DJU night some place and teach the basics of beat mixing to those who wish to learn... Loads of SEDA members asked for this, Chris Ansell and myself spent a lot of time organising it, and only Vinnie signed up! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/188.gif Still willing to help though... Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted March 9, 2006 Report Share Posted March 9, 2006 time for a new topic on who ants to learn to mix... <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
mark_richards 0 Posted March 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Hi Guys Thanks for all the feedback. Your right the £120 headphones are a bit much, but now you have confirmed that I should spend the money and get a good pair that is what I shall do! Brian - I am based in Essex, thanks very much for the offer it's very kind of you! I think i am going to give it a go myself first (I could come crying back later!), i like the challange, and if I do get it I can feel even better about it if I have done it myself - do you know what I mean?? However, on that score I would still appreciate a few pointers in the right direction on this thread if thats OK. Things like for example, I know how to count the beats and I kind of understand about the music changing on possibly the 16th or 32nd beat. I know to match the tempos I have to slide the pitch bar slightly, what I don't get then is where the Jog wheel comes in?? Any pointers on beatmatching CD's would be great! Thanks Mark Link to post Share on other sites
Electrofreek 0 Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 the jog wheel is used to firstly find the place in the track you want to drop in.....and then once it is playing...if it isnt the exact tempo as the other track,you use the jog wheel to nudge it along so it matches the other cd again, often the 2 tracks will go out of sync....espescially(sp?)if you are playin tracks that have been recorded live... .i know what you mean when you say it can be hard....i had to learn the hard way...at a friends house alone for the weekend and just learnt on his decks!!......the main thing as evryone on here has said is that you have to have extreme patience...it will fell like http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wallbash.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wallbash.gif for a while!! and then one day you will get it first time and every time after that!!! jules I CAN SLEEP WHEN IM DEAD Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Westcott 0 Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 I learnt using early 80s disco tracks. A lot of these had live percussion, and I found even if you initially had the songs running in sync, one would drift relative to the other. For this you had to slightly drag one deck or the other to get things right, and cross the fader pretty damn quick! With modern music using electronic percussion, (which sounds rubbish by comparison) it is a lot simpler, but I don't bother with it anyhow - the technique has no place in my show. Link to post Share on other sites
Eskie 0 Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 QUOTE (Dj_Kray @ Mar 9 2006, 01:45 PM) i have been using the pionner hd1000s but are also quite expensive but they are the tool of my trade and only the best will do . Yep snap; they're great headphones http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/thumbup.gif Anthony Winyard Entertainment www.awe-dj.co.uk, Entertaining London & the South-East! Click here to LIKE The Funky Penguin on Facebook. www.facebook.com/awe.dj Link to post Share on other sites
Dave80s 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 how about sennheiser hd-25sp's, they are only half the price - around £60. If that is still too much, they gave them away on concorde and people used to sell them on ebay so it may be worth looking there. p.s. I don't use the jog wheel on twin CD players, too fiddly - just the + and - buttons. On standalone tabletop cd players the wheel is a lot bigger and easier to use. Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 QUOTE If that is still too much, they gave them away on concorde and people used to sell them on ebay so it may be worth looking there. Ok dont be fooled by the way they look... the concord version of the headphones may use the same outer plastic as the 25sp's but not the same driver unit. and they sound rubbish compaired to a pair of HD-25sp's get the real ones not the cheep ones from Ebay.... <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
Dave80s 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 Have you tested a pair of the ones from concorde then? Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted March 13, 2006 Report Share Posted March 13, 2006 QUOTE Have you tested a pair of the ones from concorde then? Yes. and also the rep from sennhiser admited they are different.. they dont go as loud as real 25sp's and distort when pushed with a loud mixer headphone output... basicly its just a diferent driver in the 25sp shell to keep out the back ground noise from the aircraft... good headphones for use with your walkman.. not much cop for use in a night club <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
Simonlm 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 A good way to learn to beat match is to get two copies of the same track play them at the same pitch and match them and fade between the two. Then try using the volume faders whilst leaving teh cross fader in the middle position, i always mix this way, but be warned if doing it live can al go horribly wrong if you have both faders up on full and the beats are crashing all over the place! But give it a try nice and simple then work on it from there!! I personnally only use the jog wheel to find the position on the track after that use the + and - keys Link to post Share on other sites
RichardP 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Consider the "How to DJ (Properly)" book by Frank Broughton & Bill Brewster - I just dusted my copy off the bookshelf & checked, and it does indeed contain a good, well laid out section (with nice helpful pictures! hurrah!) on beatmatching, tips for helping you mix in your headphones, etc, plus a fair amount of other useful info. Only 12 squid if you buy from HMV online, inc free delivery! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/thumbup.gif ... OK, can I have my royalty cheque now, please? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
Tall Boys 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Or you can use numark cdn-90s. They have a little display on them which shows the the beat on each channel, and when the beats are matched a green led lights up between them. it also has bpm counter, which is all extremely accurate! Link to post Share on other sites
Nedd 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Report Share Posted March 14, 2006 Anyone else tried this? more info!!! Link to post Share on other sites
DJ Marky Marc 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Anyone wishing to learn to mix should do it without beat counters or flashy green lights... they are ok as a guide a helping hand but should be used sparingly or your skills and abilitys will never progress beond the basics... think of these gadgets like training wheels on a bike... they dont stop you crashing but they can help you in the basic concept.. however if you then suddenly find your self with no traning wheels its going to end in tears... I know you all want to run before you can walk , but there is no real subsitute for practice and more practice when it comes to beat mixing... judging the BMP of a tune gets easy with time. like driving your car at 30mph. most drivers with experiance can judge quite closly how fast they are going without looking at the speedo.. its all about practice... and getting to know your music and equipment.. tape over the BMP counters if you have them so your not tempted to look.. write the BMP of your tracks on the covers so you know your in the same ball park if it helps but dont go looking at the digital read out... and once you have cracked it you will be able to mix allmost anything for the past 14 years of my club DJing life I never once had a BMP counter untill I got my Denon CD decks... I still dont look at the counter <a href="http://www.djassociates.org"><img src="http://www.djassociates.org/anims/compres_banner.gif" alt="Join the DJ Associates Disc Jockey Association" border="0" width="468" height="60"></a> Link to post Share on other sites
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