Paul Smith 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Whenever the straps are loosened on my jacket I browse the wedding planning forums to see what they are saying about us - well it saves the rest of you from going as mad as me http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif This particular topic starter had originally booked a DJ - well read for yourselves - I have edited out anything that is O/T QUOTE H2B's Gran was paying for our DJ for us but he is moving out of the area and will now have to charge us extra for travelling!! The idiot...as if... Anyway, H2B and I were flicking through my Wedding Ideas magazine and we saw the Jukebox45s website, so we've had a look and are really impressed, and think it would be a brilliant idea (although not necessarily with them, we'll find somewhere cheaper ) Even if none of our guests pick the songs, we would We can even use our own CD's which is fab as we are asking our guests to return their RSVP's with their 5 favourite songs. We will then make our own CD's using those songs (only the appropriate ones ) What do you think of this idea, from an outsiders perspective? Would you think it is OK as a guest? QUOTE I think that would be ok, at least then you can guarantee your playlist songs will be played. Who will play the songs though or will the guests be just using the jukebox to play the songs? QUOTE I went to a wedding with a jukebox and it was fab - it worked really well. QUOTE I think its a great idea. My friend and her husband have their own jukebox so used that at their wedding it was fab. My sister went to a wedding over the weekend though and they had one but she said she saw people turning it off and resetting it if they didn't like the songs that came on, that would annoy me! QUOTE I would - I wish I had done that myself but I had left it too late. Our DJ didn't play many of the songs we asked him too! I think its a great idea! QUOTE We are using Jukebox 45's. They were the best quote I could get at the time for our area. Obviously I think it's a great idea We're going to pre program it so if there is a gap between people choosing songs, there will always be some music playing. There are another 5 posts after this also saying 'It's a Great Idea'. Personally I liked the post about people turning it off to reset if they didn't like a song http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif I haven't replied but there must be other dis-advantages: 1. A rock song followed by a slow song then a bit of punk etc 2. The same song being selected and played over & over 3. Certain guests having a monopoly on choosing songs (& turning it off when something comes on they don't like). 4. The sound quality http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif 5. The lack of personality Give me some ammo and I'll post a reply (once I move my computer under the table) http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo55 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Another case for promoting Professional conduct of DJ's Contracts References Pre event meetings Music choice Event planning We still need a governing body that ensures all the professional standards and qualities of Mobile DJ's by inspecting Contracts, PLI and PAT and other associated paperwork. It could also subect the DJ to an audition so that the DJ could be assessed for The minimum skills required. A membership fee could be charged and a one off fee for the audition before registration could occur A body where questionaires can be sent at random to clients that have had a service from a registered DJ so that standards can be monitored and advice can be passed back to the DJ. wether it be 'keep up the good' work or 'OI you need to perk your idea's up'. It would need to have teeth in as much as you could be removed from the register if too many unresolved complaints occur. A body where the public can make compliants too and look for advice. SEDA could take the lead in this as that is the whole ethos of SEDA. Pie in the sky maybe and it would take time to gain the respect of both DJ's and the public But if we wish to be seen as professonal?? Jimbo Digital Fusion Entertainments Bose L1 system user. Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 (edited) QUOTE (5star @ Aug 23 2006, 07:47 AM) Give me some ammo and I'll post a reply (once I move my computer under the table) http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif Ammo huh...well, there's: QUOTE It played for about an hour, and despite loads of tunes being selected by our guests, it stopped playing. As the juke box was simply delivered and left there unattended, there was no-one there to get things going again (unlike a DJ who would either re-wire, or use their spares to get the party re-started). Mr & Mrs Doris & Dave Isco (Littlehampton) QUOTE We went to a friends 30th party with a rental jukebox - It didn't have the same atmosphere as proper evening entertainment - No lights playing along with songs, no interaction - it was a bit like a classroom with all the right books, but no teacher at the front. John Jackson - (Sevenoaks) QUOTE The whole evening felt dis-jointed...people chose their party favourites right from the word go - however "Hi Ho Silver Lining" at 8:05pm didn't seem right - probably why real discos save these great songs 'til nearer the end. Similarly, we would all probably have enjoyed smootching to the 2 or 3 romantic slow songs that started playing at half past 11 oclock, apart from the fact that some idiot had slapped Born Slipperys "Lager lager lager", and Prodigys abrasive "Firestarter" (twice) right in the middle of them. Alot of us realised that night, why proper DJs will wait until "the right time" to play requests, rather than playing them instantly - (even when we lie about having a taxi turning up in ten minutes) I wouldnt recommend a jukebox to anyone now. Angry - from Leicester. Edited August 23, 2006 by Gary Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Smith 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE (Gary @ Aug 23 2006, 09:46 AM) Mr & Mrs Doris & Dave Isco (Littlehampton) Mrs D Isco & Mr D Isco http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/laugh.gif Somehow I can't see them believing that quote http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE (5star @ Aug 23 2006, 10:02 AM) QUOTE (Gary @ Aug 23 2006, 09:46 AM) Mr & Mrs Doris & Dave Isco (Littlehampton) Mrs D Isco & Mr D Isco http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/laugh.gif Somehow I can't see them believing that quote http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif Yeah, I know... ...literate lads and lasses are less likely to live in Littlehampton, literally. You may need to change the names...to protect the innocent. Link to post Share on other sites
McCardle 1 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 there is no control over the running order , Gladys selection of Love Really Hurts could get them on to the dancefloor but followed by Grandad's favourite of Old Shep is likely to be a atmosphere killer and no doubt the first people to eye the jukebox will be kids and teenagers treating the guests to a mixture of rap and bob the builder whilst the younger kids push, fight and cry when Biff the older brother wont let them to the controls http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/rolleyes.gif then there is lighting to create an atmosphere are the guests going to dance under blazing fluorescent lights? maybe you should mention that if the brides think on these forums that machines can replace humans then she would be better dumping fiancee and marrying her viberator? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif "The voice of the devil is heard in our land" 'War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left, and you wont win this war.' Link to post Share on other sites
Eskie 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE (McCardle @ Aug 23 2006, 10:44 AM) maybe you should mention that if the brides think on these forums that machines can replace humans then she would be better dumping fiancee and marrying her viberator? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/071.gif Anthony Winyard Entertainment www.awe-dj.co.uk, Entertaining London & the South-East! Click here to LIKE The Funky Penguin on Facebook. www.facebook.com/awe.dj Link to post Share on other sites
Disco24-7 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE (Jimbo55 @ Aug 23 2006, 08:34 AM) Another case for promoting Professional conduct of DJ's Contracts References Pre event meetings Music choice Event planning We still need a governing body that ensures all the professional standards and qualities of Mobile DJ's by inspecting Contracts, PLI and PAT and other associated paperwork. It could also subect the DJ to an audition so that the DJ could be assessed for The minimum skills required. A membership fee could be charged and a one off fee for the audition before registration could occur A body where questionaires can be sent at random to clients that have had a service from a registered DJ so that standards can be monitored and advice can be passed back to the DJ. wether it be 'keep up the good' work or 'OI you need to perk your idea's up'. It would need to have teeth in as much as you could be removed from the register if too many unresolved complaints occur. A body where the public can make compliants too and look for advice. SEDA could take the lead in this as that is the whole ethos of SEDA. Pie in the sky maybe and it would take time to gain the respect of both DJ's and the public But if we wish to be seen as professonal?? Jimbo Now, as a 'newbie' to actually 'playing to the masses' I thought I'd offer my rather limited opinion. Firstly, a friend of a friend used a Juke Box at her wedding (in a small garden Marquee) and quite enjoyed it, however it was just a juke box...which meant there was no real power at all. I would conclude that a Juke box could be used for small gatherings i.e in a house or a small garden marquee, but in a medium to large venue? Don't make me laugh old son! It's all about ignorance [which we all have at certain levels] the person that asks why you haven't got Bernard Cribbins "Hole in the ground" when you're clearly playing upbeat music, or the idiot who thinks it's ok to leave a pint of beer inches from a deck/mixer? They are all out there waiting to make our life’s difficult when trying to entertain...but juke boxes? Once they've been exposed as a inadequate facility they will be no longer used...word and mouth I guess? And lastly on the DJ union and PAT testing, insurance and so on... I haven't seen on here any mention of people providing entertainment to children being CRB checked? Thankfully I am, but I wouldn't let a complete stranger control a group of small/medium size kids whether I was in the venue or in the kitchen making up trays of chicken nuggets? So let's make it also a commitment that ALL DJ's working at kids parties have FULL CRB checks...if you don't pass, well tuff...you shouldn't be in the job. Link to post Share on other sites
spinner 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE (McCardle @ Aug 23 2006, 09:44 AM) maybe you should mention that if the brides think on these forums that machines can replace humans then she would be better dumping fiancee and marrying her vibrator? http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif Why not combine the two? Link to post Share on other sites
BigBen 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE (McCardle @ Aug 23 2006, 09:44 AM) if the brides think on these forums that machines can replace humans then she would be better dumping fiancee and marrying her vibrator? Top! http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/notworthy.gif [insert quirky comment] Link to post Share on other sites
tonyj 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE (Disco24-7 @ Aug 23 2006, 11:24 AM) I haven't seen on here any mention of people providing entertainment to children being CRB checked? Thankfully I am, but I wouldn't let a complete stranger control a group of small/medium size kids whether I was in the venue or in the kitchen making up trays of chicken nuggets? So let's make it also a commitment that ALL DJ's working at kids parties have FULL CRB checks...if you don't pass, well tuff...you shouldn't be in the job. looks like you missed This Recent Thread Member of The Musicians Union "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like hard work." Link to post Share on other sites
Tonsk 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 QUOTE (Disco24-7 @ Aug 23 2006, 11:24 AM) I haven't seen on here any mention of people providing entertainment to children being CRB checked? Thankfully I am, but I wouldn't let a complete stranger control a group of small/medium size kids whether I was in the venue or in the kitchen making up trays of chicken nuggets? So let's make it also a commitment that ALL DJ's working at kids parties have FULL CRB checks...if you don't pass, well tuff...you shouldn't be in the job. Hi - As TonyJ has already pointed out, there is a thread about this exact subject. However, as I don't work for a school, scout or other type establishment, I cannot get the CRB to check me... I did ask, and they said no - I had to go through a third party like school etc - catch 22..... My son is only 17 months old so is not yet going anywhere I can volunteer - plus as I am never without adult supervision when I am performing at childrens functions, even though I would love to get a CRB check, I can't and will explain to whoever is asking the reasons...... The Right Music - based in Norwich and covering all Norfolk and Suffolk Link to post Share on other sites
Gary 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 (edited) Cor...look at those tyre marks.......... This thread seems to have veered http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/offtopic.gif a few posts back. Valid points for a different thread though. Back to this thread: Real Human DJ's - Vs - The JukeBox What to advise brides/grooms who might be considering a "plug n pray" alternative to a real DJ......? Edited August 23, 2006 by Gary Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Smith 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 Ok reply has been posted on the wedding forum http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/hide.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo55 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Report Share Posted August 23, 2006 and? Not that I am impatient or anything http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/rolleyes.gif Jimbo Digital Fusion Entertainments Bose L1 system user. Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Smith 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 QUOTE (Jimbo55 @ Aug 23 2006, 05:32 PM) and? Not that I am impatient or anything http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/rolleyes.gif Jimbo One thing I've found about these type of forums is, when you offer an opposing viewpoint either: They feed you to the lions or http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/188.gif They carry on as if the post wasn't there http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif In this case it's the latter however the reason I make these kind of posts (and I'm not the only DJ that does ) is for the 100s of members who read the boards but don't add their opinions. So rather than a topic on jukeboxes where everyone says they are a great idea my post on there will hopefully make some people think a bit harder before going down this road. As we often say it's all about education but it has to be done in a way that doesn't upset them (which is why I left out McCardle's bit about vibrators - great quote that it was though http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/laugh.gif ) Link to post Share on other sites
McCardle 1 Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 has anybody mentioned the more personal aspect that is missing with a jukebox system at weddings, mainly the all important first dance and any traditional extras such as organising a wedding arch "The voice of the devil is heard in our land" 'War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left, and you wont win this war.' Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Westcott 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Or simply having a good flow of music which isn't dictated by the mouthiest or most forward of the group. A DJ can steer clear of this scenario. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Dukesy 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 QUOTE (5star @ Aug 24 2006, 07:30 AM) QUOTE (Jimbo55 @ Aug 23 2006, 05:32 PM) and? Not that I am impatient or anything http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/rolleyes.gif Jimbo One thing I've found about these type of forums is, when you offer an opposing viewpoint either: They feed you to the lions or http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/188.gif They carry on as if the post wasn't there http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif In this case it's the latter however the reason I make these kind of posts (and I'm not the only DJ that does ) is for the 100s of members who read the boards but don't add their opinions. So rather than a topic on jukeboxes where everyone says they are a great idea my post on there will hopefully make some people think a bit harder before going down this road. As we often say it's all about education but it has to be done in a way that doesn't upset them (which is why I left out McCardle's bit about vibrators - great quote that it was though http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/laugh.gif ) Paul, If you're worried about upsetting those with negative opinions of DJs by defending what may be an important factor from our point of view, then aren't you wasting your time posting our side of the story? It seems to me that you are posting to applease others even when there are some very valid points to get across. In another thread McCardle said: QUOTE Aug 24 2006, 01:17 PM maybe 5star could post this on the wedding forum as a reminder that deejays have to suffer bad clients as well as the other way around and that respect and civility works both ways http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/rolleyes.gif Sorry, with the greatest respect, although I read your reply I make McCardle right. Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Smith 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 QUOTE Paul, If you're worried about upsetting those with negative opinions of DJs by defending what may be an important factor from our point of view, then aren't you wasting your time posting our side of the story? It seems to me that you are posting to applease others even when there are some very valid points to get across. It's not a case of upsetting those with negative opinions of DJs - it's giving them some good advice on how to make their choice (& in one case relevant problems with choosing the jukebox option) QUOTE In another thread McCardle said: QUOTE Aug 24 2006, 01:17 PM maybe 5star could post this on the wedding forum as a reminder that deejays have to suffer bad clients as well as the other way around and that respect and civility works both ways Sorry, with the greatest respect, although I read your reply I make McCardle right. Remember that these people haven't had their reception yet - what am I supposed to put - make sure that your clients behave themselves and don't upset the DJ http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/533.gif IMHO This is a subject that has to be dealt with as it happens rather than pre-meditate it because I don't think that any of those planning their functions anticipate their guests will cause problems and what exactly do we want them to do - tell all their guests to respect the DJ? Having said that - it is just my opinion - I don't have a monopoly, the planning forums are open to all so if you feel that I'm wasting my time why not join and make the point yourself? Link to post Share on other sites
McCardle 1 Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 QUOTE what am I supposed to put - make sure that your clients behave themselves and don't upset the DJ no, but i wonder how many of those bashing deejays on the wedding forums are doing so out of spite because they approached their own deejay in a similar abusive temperament to the thread which Splosh made?, amongst all of this negativity on this wedding forum i wager that that you only hear one side of the story, the brides, and it may not be a true reflection of the actual events. i am sure that the groom that splosh encountered would be the first to be posting a complaint about him on such a forum, maybe he already is, however it would not make it an accurate statement of the facts and from our point of view over 30 other people agreed that Splosh handled the matter correctly and professionally and it was actually the groom who was the problem and in the wrong. i wonder how many of those brides slagging off deejays were actually the downfall of their own wedding reception perhaps through their own choices but now lay it on thick & publically at the door of their deejay because it all went wrong when the deejay was told to in no uncertain terms to comply with THEIR wishes and had no choice but to deviate from his experience (against his better nature) . i wonder how many were in fact happy with their deejay but are just posting their own horror story to upstage the last persons and fitting in with the general theme of the discussion & yes people really are that shallow You are correct, there may be hundreds of brides now reading these horror stories and are going to be swayed into thinking all deejays are the same by some bored bitter twisted old cow who is slagging of her deejay because he would not play HER choice of heavy metal all night, and DARED to take into account the wishes of the guests also in attendance because he IS the professional entertainer she booked and not as selfish as she obviously is!. If a client requested heavy metal all night then i would pass the work on to somebody who is capable of covering that booking because i cannot but i would not tolerate getting abuse for it if i only found out their new requirements when i arrived at the function despite already having discussed their wishes in great detail prior to the event. "The voice of the devil is heard in our land" 'War doesn't determine who is right, war determines who is left, and you wont win this war.' Link to post Share on other sites
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Paul Smith 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 I'm afraid that going onto a wedding forum with all guns blazing about a specific incident that doesn't even have anything to do with them as individuals will do more harm than good for us - why should they be interested in our problems - they just want a DJ who will turn up and play what they want to hear and in return will pay us (good) money for that service. If there was a specific complaint that could be addressed by the DJ concerned then fair enough but IMO the way to approach these forums is to try and educate them in the best way to pick a DJ - not go on about problems we may have encountered because, believe me, it will only backfire. To my knowledge there have been 3 members of this forum who have posted on one of these wedding forums (inc me). One of our members tried the approach you mention and was shot down in flames. The other, and myself, are trying a more subtle approach which is gaining the confidence of the members, some of whom at least respect our input and take the advice we convey on board. TBH a lot of the complaints against DJs are justified - turning up late, DJ not having their 1st dance record, playing songs they specifically asked not to be played etc again all specific complaints which can only be rebutted by the DJ concerned - so for anyone thinking of posting on there I can only advise to bear in mind that they are our potential clients. http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/oops.gif Link to post Share on other sites
Eskie 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 One point some of you seem to be overlooking is that the brides are dealing with many service providers in the lead up to their day not just DJs. Florists, dress makers, caterers, jewellers, cake makers, table decorators, limo companies and so on. Many of these other service providers are also on these bridal forums offering advice to brides. In general all of the service providers respond rather than initiate, i.e. they reply to various questions or issues raised where they have experience to be able to add some input but in general do not really start many topics. As 5 star explains, subtle suggestion in putting our point of view across is far more likely to succeed rather than laying down the law and upsetting the locals (it is their forum after all!). If a bride came on a dj forum ranting and raving about how some DJs treat their guests and how rude they are and not playing songs requested yet playing other songs they were specifically told not to play etc etc, I can just imagine the OTT posts that some DJs would make in reply!!... OK this may be a little far-fetched, but even if a bride came on a dj forum and politely tried to "educate" DJs in how we should treat brides and their guests at a wedding, the reaction would still be rabid from some DJs... note I said SOME, not ALL, well the same situation exists on the bridal forums. Just because some of the mouthy ones may post negative stuff about some DJs it doesn't mean every bride on their will think like that or that they are all so easily led that they are gonna believe every word they read on a forum... after you read a few posts from some people you can often get an idea of which ones talk sense and which ones never have a good word to say about anybody; and that is true for any forum no matter what the subject is!! Anthony Winyard Entertainment www.awe-dj.co.uk, Entertaining London & the South-East! Click here to LIKE The Funky Penguin on Facebook. www.facebook.com/awe.dj Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Smith 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2006 Eskie and I are singing from the same hymn sheet on this one http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/kid.gif well OK not just this one because we do agree on other things as well http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/smile.gif I don't mind being challenged on anything that I post - in fact I welcome the opportunity to argue my point but aside from that the reason I started the 'How Brides Perceive Us' series of topics is because I have this notion that it's better to learn from other peoples mistakes than my own - true the last one on Jukeboxes doesn't fall into this idea but if we know what our competition is we can prepare good reasons why it isn't really competition http://www.dj-forum.co.uk/html//emoticons/wacko.gif The other reason is that it is a trait of human nature that people will not tell you they are unhappy with what you do but they will tell their mates (or in this case their forum mates) and by reading their comments we can make sure that we don't make those same mistakes - it certainly wasn't intended as a ' If they knock us we'd better go and knock them back' kinda idea and if I felt that this was going to be the future outcome then maybe I might be wise to cancel Part 5. Link to post Share on other sites
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